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Old 15th Feb 2022, 07:48
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Makes you wonder if the mayor has eyes on their apron and facilities too?

See Skyhawks operating from Leeming soon on a detachment…apparently they need chutes…now that would be interesting mixing here with civil traffic!…I always thought Leeming was a better facility for Drakens operations anyway.
Pseudo military and civil airlines are an interesting mix!

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Old 17th Feb 2022, 09:15
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With the plans for the Southside drawn up and suggested occupation by June could this be the last year for the air show with the new industrial area being underneath the display area.
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 09:46
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15 departures can be taken as 30 flights! Meaning only 5 more departures needed.

Burns will not be welcome near the units, in the same manner that a fire brigade often evacuate or instruct nearby properties to close all windows and doors, I'm not entirely sure how you jump to aviation being unwanted on the Southside?

The airport has offered to cover the cost of relocation elsewhere on the airport site, which wont be cheap with the underlying works on the pan that stop/mitigate ground contamination from unburnt fuels and foams.
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 09:59
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No idea where the figure of fourty flights came from, but agree that it would include arrivals and departures, though how the current level of GA movements has an impact on 40 air transport movements a day I don't know. Presumably that would be any training flights out the window as well?

And as for the comment about crashes, well...

The airport has offered to cover the cost of relocation elsewhere on the airport site, which wont be cheap with the underlying works on the pan that stop/mitigate ground contamination from unburnt fuels and foams
Given the comments on contamination and burns, where else on the airport would be a suitable location?

Will be interesting to see what airside access there is to the southside.
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 10:54
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According to facebook contributions..there is nowhere on airfield suitable..apart from near existing terminal!

Also plans on there show no airside access…the new business park footprint takes up a huge area.
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:16
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The plan the Mayor posted on his Facebook a week ago showed an aircraft apron, so there must be airside access?
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:26
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The image an FB is too small for me to make that out - whereabouts?
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:29
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Green square where the two cross-runways meet
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:37
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Thanks for confirming the location - the image on FB isn't superimposed on to the airports layout. So do we assume that it will just be the two proposed buildings bordering that area that will be accessible by aircraft?
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:39
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I see that area.it’s not huge,but possible? Not sure about taxiways..that could be expensive linking to the runway direct?
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 19:37
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 12:28
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As a point of interest all of these developments seem to just slip through planning and just get rubber stamped. I am not against the airport developing but I do believe the development should be aviation related industry or a large proportion. We need Beafer to dig up the evidence, the first Southside development caused such a stir with the locals and that was sold to them as aviation. Not even the local Councillor Doris Jones has reared her head this time.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:07
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
As a point of interest all of these developments seem to just slip through planning and just get rubber stamped. I am not against the airport developing but I do believe the development should be aviation related industry or a large proportion. We need Beafer to dig up the evidence, the first Southside development caused such a stir with the locals and that was sold to them as aviation. Not even the local Councillor Doris Jones has reared her head this time.
Yes - what the Mayor has planned for the southside is pretty much what was in the Peel Masterplan, except Peel had housing planned near the terminal to fund it, whereas the plan now seems to be to have Willis and the fire school in a similar location.

From memory the the original planning permission (presumably now lapsed) was for aviation-related acticities, but various amendments chipped the percentage away. It ending up at 40% seems to ring a bell. Don't know what planning arrangement the units to be built this summer are happening under, or the roundabout on the A67 come to that.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 14:18
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This seems to be the permission - dated 2 November 2018, probably explains the spades in ground ceremony last year. B2 is general industry amd B8 storage and distribution

The development hereby permitted shall be begun before the expiration of THREE years from the date of this permission.
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 15:54
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I haven't seen the new location for the fire school, obviously not on the Southside. A location near the station / hangar 5 might of worked if someone hadn't sold the land off.
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Just found this snippet from November last year..all quotes by the mayor..



“perfectly positioned to welcome new investment and firms looking to place themselves at the heart of our
area. We’re confident of welcoming more than 400,000 passengers through our new terminal next year thanks
to all of the new flights we’ve secured, and our investment in the terminal, creating an airport people will want
to use time and time again. Our airport is so much more than just flights to Alicante, behind the new routes are
new jobs supporting families and the local community, this summer we’ve created 40 new jobs and this will
continue to grow further as our airport does. Of course, we shouldn’t rest on our laurels, and that’s why we’re
working harder than ever to secure even more new routes, airlines and operators.”
Mr Houchen said the past year’s losses would be “slashed” as he said the airport would return to profit by
2024. He said: “This will be slashed in the next year, we will be going back into profit within the next two to
three years”

Interesting quotes..400k passengers this year…overly optimistic views would be half that !
No idea about the financial details…or profit forecasts!

In this strange world..I feel you should be careful what you promise the people!
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 19:32
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I guess you are referring to this article from 21 September last year? Also be fair to the mayor, the 400k passengers would have been prior to the omicron outbreak which has clearly set the industry back again.

But's let's assume that covid had disappeared, was the 400k passenger target for 2022 even realistic?
  • Amsterdam: 112,000 (36 flights a week each way x 60 pax)
  • Heathrow: 75,000 (36 flights a week x 40 pax)
  • Aberdeen: 20,000 (22 flights a week x 18 pax)
  • Belfast: 12,500 (12 flights a week x 20 pax)
  • Southampton: 12,500 (12 flights a week x 20 pax)
  • Bristol: 12,500 (12 flights a week x 20 pax)
  • Newquay: 3,000 (2022 plus a bit of growth)
  • Jersey: 2,500 (historical average)
  • Ryanair summer (4 destinations): 50,000 (12 flights a week in the Summer x 160 pax)
  • Ryanair winter (Mallorca): 16,500 (4 flights a week in the Winter x 160 pax)
  • TUI: 16,500 (4 flights a week in the Summer x 160 pax)
  • Jets Go: 8,000 (2 flights a week in the Summer x 160 pax)
  • Bourgas: 10,500 (4 flights a week for a 17 week season x 160 pax)
  • Lourdes/Santa/Italy charters: 2,000
  • Other business/football charters: 2,000
I think this guesswork is very optimistic but it still adds up to 356,000 passengers. Assuming there was some science behind the 400k target, I wonder what additional services the airport was expecting?
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Old 22nd Feb 2022, 21:13
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
I guess you are referring to this article from 21 September last year? Also be fair to the mayor, the 400k passengers would have been prior to the omicron outbreak which has clearly set the industry back again.

But's let's assume that covid had disappeared, was the 400k passenger target for 2022 even realistic?I think this guesswork is very optimistic but it still adds up to 356,000 passengers. Assuming there was some science behind the 400k target, I wonder what additional services the airport was expecting?
I would say last year that the forecast for 400k was a bit on the low side for what was going to potentially happen in 2022 if everything returned to normal.

My estimates would have been:
  • Amsterdam: 130,000
  • Heathrow: 80,000
  • Aberdeen: 23,000
  • Belfast: 25,000
  • Southampton: 30,000
  • Dublin: 15,000
  • Newquay: 6,000
  • Jersey: 3,000
  • Alicante: 36,000
  • Corfu: 12,000
  • Faro: 15,000
  • Palma: 26,000
  • Bourgas: 18,000
  • Lourdes/Santa/Italy charters: 2,500
  • Other business/football charters: 2,000


    There was supposed to be at least another 6 routes, new operators, expanded service patterns and increase in aircraft capacity, but these new routes look like they have been pushed back til 2023 due to international covid restrictions giving uncertainty. We may yet see something extra added for this year, but I think everything is getting geared up towards next year now.

    With it looking like going to be April before somewhere near full timetable services will operate, means this years figures will be taking a knock, with a quarter off the year lost. But we should still see some good figures as the year progresses.

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Old 22nd Feb 2022, 21:23
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So you expected Antalya to be dropped?
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KLM ‘normal’ schedule delayed until the end of May.
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