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Old 17th Oct 2023, 15:08
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Originally Posted by P330
How do we know FAO just hasn't been loaded yet and isn't terminated? FAO appears to be loaded for some other UK airports such as BHX and EMA....
This made me laugh. FAO is so unlikely to be dropped with the amount of demand for holidays to the Algarve. Its not loaded from SNN & NOC either and other UK airports previous user mentioned.

OPO has loads of routes missing as well.
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Old 17th Oct 2023, 16:20
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Originally Posted by GeordieFlyer81

NCL traffic seems to be building up again, with increases from LS, TUI and FR. I seem to recall levels of 7 million passengers a year at one point in NCL history, have we surpassed that?
Never mind Covid, NCL hasn't recovered yet from the 2008 financial crash. Highest year was 2007 with 5.6m
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Old 18th Oct 2023, 14:19
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Never mind Covid, NCL hasn't recovered yet from the 2008 financial crash. Highest year was 2007 with 5.6m
I genuinely thought NCL had hit higher than that, so thanks for the info 😁

The more the regions economy grows and indeed the crisis hitting the UK, the more growth potential for routes there is. Let’s hope the recent modest expansion for NCL (and of course other UK airports) continues. I see the route network only expanding, thanks to incumbent airlines like FR and LS, as well as new carriers.
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Old 18th Oct 2023, 20:54
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Corendon S25 now on sale

Corendon S25 now on sale. 2 x AYT per week on Wed / Sat. DLM to be released later, same as s24 was
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 08:36
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NCL seems to have missed out entirely on the new JET2 routes to Marrakesh and Agadir...I wonder why?
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Jamesair1
NCL seems to have missed out entirely on the new JET2 routes to Marrakesh and Agadir...I wonder why?
Probably because having researched to regional market through, amongst others, their network of travel agents they have established that NCL isn't likely to be a strong market, and better occupancy of contracted hotel beds can be achieved from other regions.

Why I can't imagine, unless its just that the local market favours the tried and tested 'Britain abroad' resorts.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 09:20
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Interesting...... Tunisia and Egypt have always worked pretty well from NCL............I'm sure they know their market.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 13:27
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I think Morocco has more of an image of a 'hippy trail' / cultural destination kind of trip. That probably doesn't appeal to as many folks in the North East who are more inclined to a more traditional beach holiday.
That isn't a criticism, btw; I myself prefer more of an 'exploration' type of holiday, but there's nowt wrang with a week in the sun for anyone from any part of the UK who've been grafting hard the rest of the year - two sets of my relatives are on beach hols at the moment.
(That said, I was actually looking at Tunisia for next year, to go and see Carthage etc. The sad situation in the Middle East will probably knock that on the head, though. )
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 15:20
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More likely is the fact the NCL won't allow Jet2 to base another airframe there.
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 15:36
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
More likely is the fact the NCL won't allow Jet2 to base another airframe there.
Won't allow another based frame? What's the rationale?
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Old 19th Oct 2023, 18:30
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You'll have to ask them because I can't think of one.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 00:05
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Dont see what another based Jet2 aircraft would actually bring & with a 5th TUI based surely space would be tight for parking during the night when most land back. If its more seats Jet2 would like to add then maybe an upgrade of a handful of 737s to A321s would be the better idea when more are delivered.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 08:13
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Having lost 3 based TCX frames and 3 based EZY frames in recent years, I reckon there would be space to add another overnighter or two, and if the airline offered, they’d make it work.

Another LS 738 would bring about an extra 14 weekly flights, give or take. And I reckon off the top of my head I could rattle off about 10 brand new routes that they could take their pick of to serve from here if they wanted to.

In the medium term, providing things continue as healthily as they seem to be, if overnight stand provision is becoming an issue, the airport are going to want to start thinking about how they address that. I can really see a market for at least 5 based frames from Ryanair by the end of the decade, and at least another aircraft each from Jet2 and TUI.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 10:34
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I'm puzzled. Why, during the winter season, would there be a requirement to base another aicraft to accommodate 4 additional departures per week??
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 10:45
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If every airline planned their operation around what they’d do on a cold dark Wednesday in January, nobody would bother getting into the industry.

The fact of the matter is that airlines make their money in the summer to get them through the winter and Jet2 are exceptionally good at making that summer season longer (notice flights to the Greek islands, for example, now extending into the second week of November) and making the winter more productive. Christmas markets, Iceland, ski flights and charters for other operators.

This hypothetical 9th (or is it 10th?) based aircraft would be busy March-October and they would find use for it somewhere in the network over the winter. The aircraft are coming, they have to use them somewhere.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 11:02
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
You'll have to ask them because I can't think of one.
Your location on your profile has it down as "stop being stupid, it's my turn"!

Now we know why 🤔
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 11:06
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Perhaps the market in NCL catchment area does lean towards bucket and spade, traditional fly and flop beach destinations, you only need to look at the increase in flights to Turkey and traditional Spanish resorts to see the market is demanding more seats to these destinations from NCL. Perhaps research from the likes of LS, TUI etc has revealed there is little demand to what could be considered as more adventurous destinations such as Morocco?

I recall there were times when NCL had regular routes to European city destinations such as BUD, PRG, CPH and NCE. If these markets held profit, surely an airline would have stepped in. After-all airlines and tour operators will only go where there is market potential and profit to be had?

Capacity and choice is slowly increasing at NCL, with increases from Jet2 and TUI. Ryanair have been cautiously testing their new base, with some tried and tested destinations, as well as some new markets (some of which have been successful and some not so).

NCL witnessed some destinations return such as Tunisia, Egypt and Athens to name a few. I am surprised Wizz has not tried something from NCL, but then again perhaps they’ve looked and realised they could make more money elsewhere? After all their main market of Eastern Europe seems to be a bit hit and miss for NCL.

Stand wise for overnight parking, isn’t there 27 available stands? For S24 there is about 22 night stopping aircraft (9 LS, 5 TUI, 2 FR, 2 LM as well as the non based BA, AF, KL and mail flight), so there are spare stands but does the terminal and gate facilities have the capacity?
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 11:19
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I think Chesty has greater insight into Jet2 than anybody who has posted since
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 12:18
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If by mail flight you mean the FedEx/ASL, it doesn't night stop but gets back just as the first wave is departing. If push comes to shove it could relocate to apron G though that would be inconvenient for crew and kit.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
More likely is the fact the NCL won't allow Jet2 to base another airframe there.
Is there a source for this ??
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