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Old 20th Oct 2023, 14:18
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Originally Posted by fl dutchman
Is there a source for this ??
Read post 1379.

The man who knows it all has the answer 😉
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 21:13
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Originally Posted by fl dutchman
Is there a source for this ??
Yes, the airport management.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Yes, the airport management.
More down to terminal and infrastructure challenges than actual parking stands?
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 23:02
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Originally Posted by fl dutchman
Is there a source for this ??
The same source thats expecting daily Saudia 773 with a bus to the Ďtoon?
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 07:07
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TUI havenít been able to get AGA off the ground yet always been cancelled before season starts

lets wait to see if they start it in 2024 as planned

Marrakesh Iím thinking is more of an Ryanair route If it was ever to happen
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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 07:45
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We havenít got anyone starting Agadir in 2024, unfortunately.

I agree that Marrakech would probably be best suited to Ryanair.

Both Marrakech and Agadir are quite surprising omissions from our route network. I imagine we will see Jet2 start one or both at some point, and that could spur TUI on to launch Agadir. I canít see why a small handful of weekly flights to Morocco wouldnít work from NCL, especially with the critical mass of Jet2 and TUIís package offers
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Old 23rd Oct 2023, 04:45
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It was on sale for 2024 so there’s the answer why Jet2 haven’t
no market for it.

let Ryanair try it first
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Old 23rd Oct 2023, 07:33
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I think you might be mistaken. Sharm El Sheikh and Sal are our only two new routes for Summer 2024. Agadir went on sale for Summer 2020 back in May 2019 and was never launched unfortunately.

You do have a valid point, they havenít gone to the effort of re-launching it. Hopefully they reconsider at some point, weíll see.

NCL-Morocco could well be a case of waiting for a bus, if Jet2 jump in, TUI could well follow to protect their market share. Africa is their ďthing.Ē

Whether we see Ryanair jump in on Marrakech, who knows. But I hope they do.
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Old 24th Oct 2023, 18:27
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Originally Posted by GeordieFlyer81
Also noticed EI have not yet put BHD on sale, DUB remains daily.
Aer Lingus BHD-NCL now on sale 1 daily
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Old 24th Oct 2023, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Half-term varies across the country - and it's only a week - no airline is going to build it's timetables around that - many have enough problems with 6-7 week school summer holidays which vary from June into September across the UK
just going back to this. Interesting to note that one week before October half term, Jet2 have 13 departures from NCl tomorrow giving loads of half term options☺️. TUI have 2 departures 🙁. I appreciate Iím the only one bothered by this but it does seem one has their eye on the regional market and the other not so!
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Old 24th Oct 2023, 22:02
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Originally Posted by GBYAJ
just going back to this. Interesting to note that one week before October half term, Jet2 have 13 departures from NCl tomorrow giving loads of half term options☺️. TUI have 2 departures 🙁. I appreciate Iím the only one bothered by this but it does seem one has their eye on the regional market and the other not so!
I think youíre making a mountain of a molehill, personally, and looking into it far too much. Clearly, TUIís transition from summer to winter scheduling is different to Jet2 and it has been this case, from what I can recall, with TUI for many, many years.

FYI - itís actually 4 departures for TUI, not 2.
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Old 24th Oct 2023, 22:12
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Originally Posted by JonnyH
I think youíre making a mountain of a molehill, personally, and looking into it far too much. Clearly, TUIís transition from summer to winter scheduling is different to Jet2 and it has been this case, from what I can recall, with TUI for many, many years.

FYI - itís actually 4 departures for TUI, not 2.
mmm, donít think so. FYI PFO and TFS (per airport website).

I feel as though Iím helping the marketing team by highlighting a deficiency of holiday choice and options! The winter programme for the first week of November is no good for families with school age children :-)
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Old 24th Oct 2023, 22:17
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Originally Posted by gbyaj
mmm, donít think so. Fyi pfo and tfs (per airport website).

I feel as though iím helping the marketing team by highlighting a deficiency of holiday choice and options! The winter programme for the first weekmof november is no good for families with school age children :-)
rho @ 6am & pmi @ 6.15am. Likely positioning out almost empty admittedly.
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Originally Posted by GBYAJ
mmm, donít think so. FYI PFO and TFS (per airport website).

I feel as though Iím helping the marketing team by highlighting a deficiency of holiday choice and options! The winter programme for the first week of November is no good for families with school age children :-)
Yes, the other two departures are just end-of-season positioning flights.

P.S. Isnít half-term holiday this week, meaning school kids will be back next week?
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 06:28
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Originally Posted by ROC10
Yes, the other two departures are just end-of-season positioning flights.

P.S. Isnít half-term holiday this week, meaning school kids will be back next week?
thats the point - no!

half term is next week so anyone wanting to go away will go Wednesday - Sunday this week but theyíll struggle with TUI from NCL!!


while itís common knowledge that prices go up
for the school holidays, Jet2 move additional aircraft to NCL, summer routes start up in time for the last week of May etc etc TUi have just donít bother for the NE October half term!

Slightly tongue in cheek but positioning flights are no good for a holiday!!

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Old 25th Oct 2023, 07:28
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Agree completely.

Half term is split in the region, but for most it is next week. We like to go away in October but have much reduced choice because of what youíve explained. Thank goodness for Jet2.
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Old 25th Oct 2023, 08:58
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Originally Posted by GBYAJ
thats the point - no!

half term is next week so anyone wanting to go away will go Wednesday - Sunday this week but theyíll struggle with TUI from NCL!!


while itís common knowledge that prices go up
for the school holidays, Jet2 move additional aircraft to NCL, summer routes start up in time for the last week of May etc etc TUi have just donít bother for the NE October half term!

Slightly tongue in cheek but positioning flights are no good for a holiday!!
It should be quite obvious why they donít. Jet2 have a wider route network from NCL every summer and when it comes to October, the majority of TUIís destinations are winding down in resort. Jet2 have obviously taken the decision to continue operating these routes slightly later.

This is the likes of Crete, Kos, Dalaman etc. In recent years, the weather for these resorts has been awful at this time of year, but thankfully for those visiting this year it will be better. Most of these resorts begin shutting down mid-October. Itís likely if you go to some resorts in these destinations then there wonít be a great deal open. Iíve had a family member experience this last week for a resort in Crete where most are beginning to shut up shop.

The fact Jet2 have seats to Heraklion on both Monday and Tuesday for £45 would tell you this isnít as popular as you think. Consumers clearly will go with the Airline, which would be Jet2 in this case, with the most availability and routes but itís not as black and white as you make it out to be. There clearly wouldnít be enough demand, IMO, for two carriers to serve these sort of routes at this time of year.

Most would prefer to go to the Canaries and this is something thatís covered by TUI, Jet2 and Ryanair very frequently - especially during October-April.

Sometimes this forum makes me laugh, TUI have their downfalls but Iím pretty sure they have a decent revenue management team!

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Old 25th Oct 2023, 09:02
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Much of the Med and N Africa sees a sudden change in weather around late October - even places like Morocco - and Malta in early November can be pretty unpleasant for example
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Originally Posted by JonnyH
It should be quite obvious why they donít. Jet2 have a wider route network from NCL every summer and when it comes to October, the majority of TUIís destinations are winding down in resort. Jet2 have obviously taken the decision to continue operating these routes slightly later.

This is the likes of Crete, Kos, Dalaman etc. In recent years, the weather for these resorts has been awful at this time of year, but thankfully for those visiting this year it will be better. Most of these resorts begin shutting down mid-October. Itís likely if you go to some resorts in these destinations then there wonít be a great deal open. Iíve had a family member experience this last week for a resort in Crete where most are beginning to shut up shop.

The fact Jet2 have seats to Heraklion on both Monday and Tuesday for £45 would tell you this isnít as popular as you think. Consumers clearly will go with the Airline, which would be Jet2 in this case, with the most availability and routes but itís not as black and white as you make it out to be. There clearly wouldnít be enough demand, IMO, for two carriers to serve these sort of routes at this time of year.

Most would prefer to go to the Canaries and this is something thatís covered by TUI, Jet2 and Ryanair very frequently - especially during October-April.

Sometimes this forum makes me laugh, TUI have their downfalls but Iím pretty sure they have a decent revenue management team!
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a casual observation that the largest and most profitable tour operator builds in NE half term while TUi donít shouldnít have upset you so much!


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Originally Posted by GBYAJ
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a casual observation that the largest and most profitable tour operator builds in NE half term while TUi donít shouldnít have upset you so much!
It doesnít upset me at all. Iím pointing out your complete ignorance to supply and demand as well as potential weather issues. It wasnít a casual observation, either, from you. ďTUI donít seem to bother moving aircraft up to the NE at all!Ē TUI rely more on wet leases than Jet2 do and itíll be far more economical for them to put an aircraft where theyíre guaranteed to make money. But this business acumen seems to be lost on you.

You donít seem to grasp either, like another poster has also mentioned, that the likes of Greece, Turkey and Malta can have unpleasant conditions this time of year and itís pot luck. You could book anywhere and it could p*ss it down but itís far more likely in the destinations that have been mentioned. Hence why less people would be interested in travelling somewhere where things may be closed and the weather is very hit and miss.

As far as Iím concerned, itís a complete non story. NCL isnít a London airport or pulling in anywhere near the numbers of Manchester, take your rose tinted glasses off and you might see the bigger picture!
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