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don't think 60 pax a day is a "huge demand" I'm afraid - it would be two flights a week with a proper airliner
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They’ll have to improve to make it work long term still IMO but LM make the majority of their profit off charters for the football etc anyways.
It’s still higher than MME and you’ve also got to remember there’s been a significant number of flight cancellations recently with LM. The last few weeks, especially, they’ve had some bad days.
They’ll have to improve to make it work long term still IMO but LM make the majority of their profit off charters for the football etc anyways.
They’ll have to improve to make it work long term still IMO but LM make the majority of their profit off charters for the football etc anyways.
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Just to put a bit of perspective on the Aberdeen passenger figures, there were 3 times the amount of deprtures from Newcastle than Teesside, but no where near 3 times the passenger numbers. (or 2.5 more as it was an Eastern J41!) The fares being charged from Newcastle because of the Eastern competition were sometimes as low as Ł75.99, Teesside fares were never lower than around Ł147 and normally over Ł197 one way - just look at the fares on the 2 routes for the next week to back this up. Also June to November last year Teesside had over 2000 passengers each month to Aberdeen with no competition only 2 dpeartures a day and at the higher prices too. I would assume that many people who flew from Teesside now have to use Newcastle, and at a fare much less than what is being charged at Teesside even with the taxi to Newcastle, which does raise the question of the catchment area of the 2 airports being quite interchangeable - dont know if that is a good or bad thing. Not meant as a our airport is better than yours post, more just to add to the discussion.
I was really making the point that the arrival of LM seems to have released a pent up demand on the route. An unknown factor is the numbers travelling on to OSLO (which I hope at some stage becomes a non-stop route of its own).
It will be July before ABZ becomes a single operator route.
***does anyone have any idea how many pax travel through to OSLO on this service?
It will be July before ABZ becomes a single operator route.
***does anyone have any idea how many pax travel through to OSLO on this service?
Well half the catchment area for each is County Durham and you can get to either airport in pretty much the same time so yes there is considerable overlap. I suspect flights to Aberdeen are almost all work/business related and so aren't terribly price sensitive. Timing is far more important. The size of the market is driven by the state of the offshore oil and gas (and now renewables) industry - it was pretty dire from 2013-2021.
No-one is building a new regional aircraft because no-one is buying them - in W Europe anyway. Just about every destination can take a 737 or A 320 these days and they wipe out anything smaller. In places, such as parts of N America, Africa etc, Far East something like the ATR makes sense as you are more dependant on regular air travel to small airports. In most of W Europe you have good train and highway access
No-one is building a new regional aircraft because no-one is buying them - in W Europe anyway. Just about every destination can take a 737 or A 320 these days and they wipe out anything smaller. In places, such as parts of N America, Africa etc, Far East something like the ATR makes sense as you are more dependant on regular air travel to small airports. In most of W Europe you have good train and highway access
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I suspect flights to Aberdeen are almost all work/business related and so aren't terribly price sensitive.
Go into almost any pub in the northeast and mention the word Aberdeen, and you will find somebody who will explain how the working man gets screwed on travel, in detail and at great length, including the train and road options - 'good' won't feature in the discussion.
A lot of the traffic is lads going to/from the rigs who have to pay their own way, so it is hugely price sensitive between MME, NCL, road and rail. There isn't huge pent up demand, it just switches between the different choices.
Go into almost any pub in the northeast and mention the word Aberdeen, and you will find somebody who will explain how the working man gets screwed on travel, in detail and at great length, including the train and road options - 'good' won't feature in the discussion.
Go into almost any pub in the northeast and mention the word Aberdeen, and you will find somebody who will explain how the working man gets screwed on travel, in detail and at great length, including the train and road options - 'good' won't feature in the discussion.
"True they burn a lot less fuel. But take twice as long to get to a place."
but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical
And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical
And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
"True they burn a lot less fuel. But take twice as long to get to a place."
but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical
And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical
And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
well the choice maybe working on a turboprop or not working on anything at smaller airports
Could be a DC-3..................
Could be a DC-3..................
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It absolutely amazes me that more people want to go to Iceland in winter than in summer. Some of the most beautiful scenery on Earth (well, the most unique scenery I've ever seen anyway - Faroes and Spain are probably equally as beautiful) and folks want to go when you can only see it for four hours a day!
Northern Lights?? And it does rain a lot in summer
I flew back with BA from Thessaloniki to London this week and coincidentally the JET 2 flight to NCL was due to leave at roughly the same time. I was very impressed by the smartly uniformed reception team waiting at the entrance to the terminal to meet JET2 passengers arriving for the flight.