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Old 24th Jun 2023, 17:16
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don't think 60 pax a day is a "huge demand" I'm afraid - it would be two flights a week with a proper airliner
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Old 24th Jun 2023, 17:34
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
don't think 60 pax a day is a "huge demand" I'm afraid - it would be two flights a week with a proper airliner
Yeah - that's how it works, put a proper plane on twice a week
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Old 24th Jun 2023, 20:24
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
don't think 60 pax a day is a "huge demand" I'm afraid - it would be two flights a week with a proper airliner
It’s still higher than MME and you’ve also got to remember there’s been a significant number of flight cancellations recently with LM. The last few weeks, especially, they’ve had some bad days.

They’ll have to improve to make it work long term still IMO but LM make the majority of their profit off charters for the football etc anyways.
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Old 24th Jun 2023, 20:53
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It’s still higher than MME and you’ve also got to remember there’s been a significant number of flight cancellations recently with LM. The last few weeks, especially, they’ve had some bad days.

They’ll have to improve to make it work long term still IMO but LM make the majority of their profit off charters for the football etc anyways.
shame there are no manufacturers building decent regional airliners now to replace an EJR or new SAAB 2Bob. Flybe wad dead before the pandemic. Covid was the final nail. I wish the government would ditch the 261 bull****. Biggest killer to air travel.
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Old 24th Jun 2023, 21:05
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The only new build aircraft around is the ATR - take it yr not impressed?
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Talking Aberdeen

Just to put a bit of perspective on the Aberdeen passenger figures, there were 3 times the amount of deprtures from Newcastle than Teesside, but no where near 3 times the passenger numbers. (or 2.5 more as it was an Eastern J41!) The fares being charged from Newcastle because of the Eastern competition were sometimes as low as £75.99, Teesside fares were never lower than around £147 and normally over £197 one way - just look at the fares on the 2 routes for the next week to back this up. Also June to November last year Teesside had over 2000 passengers each month to Aberdeen with no competition only 2 dpeartures a day and at the higher prices too. I would assume that many people who flew from Teesside now have to use Newcastle, and at a fare much less than what is being charged at Teesside even with the taxi to Newcastle, which does raise the question of the catchment area of the 2 airports being quite interchangeable - dont know if that is a good or bad thing. Not meant as a our airport is better than yours post, more just to add to the discussion.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 03:25
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When the anti-fossil fuels (oil & gas) regulations kick in the Aberdeen flight will get by with a 2 seater.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 08:14
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I was really making the point that the arrival of LM seems to have released a pent up demand on the route. An unknown factor is the numbers travelling on to OSLO (which I hope at some stage becomes a non-stop route of its own).
It will be July before ABZ becomes a single operator route.

***does anyone have any idea how many pax travel through to OSLO on this service?
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 08:14
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Well half the catchment area for each is County Durham and you can get to either airport in pretty much the same time so yes there is considerable overlap. I suspect flights to Aberdeen are almost all work/business related and so aren't terribly price sensitive. Timing is far more important. The size of the market is driven by the state of the offshore oil and gas (and now renewables) industry - it was pretty dire from 2013-2021.

No-one is building a new regional aircraft because no-one is buying them - in W Europe anyway. Just about every destination can take a 737 or A 320 these days and they wipe out anything smaller. In places, such as parts of N America, Africa etc, Far East something like the ATR makes sense as you are more dependant on regular air travel to small airports. In most of W Europe you have good train and highway access
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 08:26
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I suspect flights to Aberdeen are almost all work/business related and so aren't terribly price sensitive.
A lot of the traffic is lads going to/from the rigs who have to pay their own way, so it is hugely price sensitive between MME, NCL, road and rail. There isn't huge pent up demand, it just switches between the different choices.

Go into almost any pub in the northeast and mention the word Aberdeen, and you will find somebody who will explain how the working man gets screwed on travel, in detail and at great length, including the train and road options - 'good' won't feature in the discussion.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
The only new build aircraft around is the ATR - take it yr not impressed?
The older ones are dinosaurs. The newer ones are not much better. True they burn a lot less fuel. But take twice as long to get to a place.
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Old 25th Jun 2023, 11:49
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
A lot of the traffic is lads going to/from the rigs who have to pay their own way, so it is hugely price sensitive between MME, NCL, road and rail. There isn't huge pent up demand, it just switches between the different choices.

Go into almost any pub in the northeast and mention the word Aberdeen, and you will find somebody who will explain how the working man gets screwed on travel, in detail and at great length, including the train and road options - 'good' won't feature in the discussion.
but they still take the jobs - which are generally pretty well paid cp working at home.
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Jet2 expands again

Iceland flights now go 2x weekly.

I’m sure there must be demand for flights all year round
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Old 28th Jun 2023, 15:22
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"True they burn a lot less fuel. But take twice as long to get to a place."

but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical

And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
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Maybe PLAY the Icelandic airline are making a note of all this activity. They are said to be looking at expansion of UK services.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"True they burn a lot less fuel. But take twice as long to get to a place."

but on most short haul you spend as much time in security, checkin, waiting... waiting ...... waiting ..... as you do flying Flight time isn't really very critical

And for small airlines on regional routes a turboprop is a godsend
If they don't break. Personally I hate the bloody things to work on.
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 08:08
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well the choice maybe working on a turboprop or not working on anything at smaller airports

Could be a DC-3..................
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Old 29th Jun 2023, 20:03
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Originally Posted by HH6702
Jet2 expands again

Iceland flights now go 2x weekly.

I’m sure there must be demand for flights all year round
It absolutely amazes me that more people want to go to Iceland in winter than in summer. Some of the most beautiful scenery on Earth (well, the most unique scenery I've ever seen anyway - Faroes and Spain are probably equally as beautiful) and folks want to go when you can only see it for four hours a day!
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Old 30th Jun 2023, 08:29
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Northern Lights?? And it does rain a lot in summer
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I flew back with BA from Thessaloniki to London this week and coincidentally the JET 2 flight to NCL was due to leave at roughly the same time. I was very impressed by the smartly uniformed reception team waiting at the entrance to the terminal to meet JET2 passengers arriving for the flight.
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