Manchester-3

[brian_dromey]

Seems quite the can of worms has been opened on the T1/T3 future. I don’t think Ryanair, easyJet or even BA give much of a care to the overall passenger experience. They all operate from some fairly basic and/or unpleasant facilities across their network. The FR portacbins at Liverpool spring to mind. What Ryanair want is low costs, quick turnarounds and short taxy times. T3 offers them that. With AF BA and KL unlikely to return to T3 that does give a bit more space for based units, even if a reincarnated flyBe were to come back in their previous size. Which is unlikely overnight for Summer 2022?

From what I gather T1/T3 are already operating as one, the T3 gates being used as necessary, accessed by the corridor to/from the old bmi lounges, I think? I dont think there are any open facilities in T3 departures though.

[commit aviation]

Maybe they will finally decide to bulldoze T1 in a few years and build something that will tie the whole lot together a bit better.
There can't be that much life left on the old place now surely?

[eggc]

Draw a line along the line of the new T2 and it goes perfectly all the way through T1 and right to the other end of T3. IMO that's how it will end up, one huge long terminal with the odd pier poking out with scope for more in the future.

[MANFAN]

Where is the partition wall between both terminals that can be “easily knocked through”?
I am all for 1 single integrated terminal, but the T1 security and immigration halls can’t cope with simultaneous EasyJet & Ryanair departures and arrivals, especially if most flights are full!
Is there anyway these halls can be extended?
Be interesting to see what happens to all that space where the current T3 check in areas and security hall are…if this comes off of course! (Hopefully).

[Rutan16]

You know they are structually joined and before the airside move when landslide move you could walk between the two (and get nice hotdog on the ground floor of T1a). They built a wall and it really is little more than a partition, indeed there are fire doors still there through it nicely concealed with some cladding as well.
Seriously it would cost no more than a few hundred thousand tops to remove , remodel and restore; wouldn't even need much steelwork.;

[Rutan16]

You know they are structually joined and before the airside move when land move you could walk between the two (and get nice hotdog on the ground floor of T1a). They built a wall and it really is little more than a partition, indeed there are fire doors still there through it nicely concealed with some cladding as well.
Seriously it would cost no more than a few hundred thousand tops to remove , remodel and restore; wouldn't even need much steelwork..

There a surprising number of the original T1 structures simply hidden behind facades !

[MANFAN]

Yes, I vaguely remember a cafe with a pub (I think) in T1 landside with a view looking out over the apron between pier’s A & B. The same view as from the premium Lounges…so is this the same area? I’m struggling to understand which actual wall is the partition?

[Rutan16]

Pretty much

[brian_dromey]

The T3 security hall is in part of the link between T1 and T3, I think. The passenger flow of that part of the terminal is especially bad but there’s nowhere else for a T3 security hall.

In theory would the older desks around the Cafe Nero be enough for Ryanair and could the security area be relocated to the newer check-in area?

I think the current link between T1 and T3 is at ramp level. I’m not quite sure how to get there from T1, but I think some gates have been renumbered?

[MANFAN]

Where is the cafe Nero?

During the lockdown in January this year my BA flight was departing from gate 1 (now gate 35), and we accessed T3 from T1 through a corridor next to the premium lounges. Not the most ideal way to access T3 for the future…

[The96er]

That access route to the T3 gates is still in use. Lots of passengers arriving for BA flights stressed and exhausted. Just adds to the wonderful experience after the gauntlet of Security. Bring back T3 security ASAP as far as I’m concerned.

[HOVIS]

That was one of the 6 design options I saw on paper. It is the airline's preferred option but the temult would be too much. Or would have been pre covid.
Also, there's a massive amount of electrical and comms network cables that go through T1. That would all need re-routing. Big job.

[ian_h1]

eggc

Funnily enough I was playing paint the other night and had the same thought.

Option A would be a reasonably cost efficient short term solution with Option B being the longer term goal and able to be delivered in stages.....


A

B

[Seljuk22]

Not sure if this was published here before:

Last week, easyJet confirmed it would be expanding its UK fleet with three more aircraft across its Bristol and Manchester bases for the summer 2022 season. The Manchester base will be larger than ever with 20 aircraft based there connecting the North-West to key cities and holidays destinations across Europe.

https://mediacentre.easyjet.com/stor...r-2022-ramp-up

[DP.]

I highly doubt that QR and CX would have much interest in moving to T3 when they currently operate out of a brand new T2.

[Rutan16]

If BA could be persuaded to move to pleb south terminal at Gatwick (palms adequately greased) I suggest with the right help CX and QR won't object imho

[easyflyer83]

The type of airline is not necessarily indicative of what the airline actually requires, demands or expects. As such, CX and QR would not likely decline a terminal move because T2 is new.

By the same token, and at the other end of the spectrum, a LCC won’t be left with the cr*ppy end of the stick because of the model it operates and the perceived needs of a passenger flying an LCC.

[AircraftOperations]

Bear in mind, that with very different retail experiences in T2 and T3, MAG may prefer certain airlines' passengers to be able to access the better facilities to maximise retail income.

[easyflyer83]

MAG’s overarching aim will likely be to evenly spread capacity than to neatly place alliances and business models in neat boxes. That’s not to say there aren’t benefits in, for example, placing oneworld carriers together but there are many other, more pressing, priorities.

As for passenger spend, with no figures to support my belief, it will be the bucket and spaders who spend the most at MAN, particularly given the mid-range retail offering. Many of those will be travelling on a LCC to somewhere like ALC or ZTH whilst next door there will be a company aircraft boarding for GVA or NCE, each with a number of Coutts card holders onboard.

My point being, at MAN at least, it’s also very difficult to neatly place passengers in neat little boxers. There are just so many grey areas.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

I think Qatar might refuse, they're really, really not going to be keen to be jammed into a Ryanair dominated T3, and that's no slight on FR who I have flown happily many times. T3 has major pain points in boarding, especially around Gate 44, it was a cul de sac of mayhem some days when American used to board from 44 or 48. You're not going to want a Qatar B77W or a Cathay A350 in that mix. The customer experience is overwhelmingly loco and even BA don't belong there anymore.
When BA moved to LGW South, there was a financial inducement, pier one was brand new, the satellite is pretty spacious and they got a new lounge and dedicated large checkin area, and plane to train was way quicker. South lost easyJet and the loco vibe with only a few Ryanair, Vueling and Norwegain remaining. At MAN T3 you'd have a bussling FR dominated loco terminal with some Oneworld squatters IMHO.