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Old 13th Oct 2021, 16:57
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Weird that you are now comparing to 2019... Oh yeah, if you did the usual 12 months, the figures would be up massively, but that doesn't suit your agenda.

MAN = 977,008 up 54.86%
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 18:04
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I believe its worthwhile comparing both years?

I've been absent from these forums for the last few months, however I hope to be more proactive from next week!!
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 22:24
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Well if you had have looked yourself MAG them selves quote based on 2019 nothing to do with 'my agenda' !

https://mediacentre.magairports.com/...er-statistics/
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 11:00
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To be fair, they quote both, so comparisons with both Sep. 2019 and 2020 are meaningful.
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Has ATC changed the DESIG. departures of the Westerly RW? The traffic departing on that route seem to be turning much earlier than previously. Just checked the Jep SID plate, no changes so ATC are authorising early turns for DESIG. This needs to stop before it become SOP.

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Old 17th Oct 2021, 21:59
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For the uninitiated such as myself, why?
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Old 17th Oct 2021, 23:20
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The navigation beacon (VOR) used for Manchester departures is out of use at the moment and is being fixed.

As such all flights are unable to follow the standard departure routes. Flights are climbing to 1500 feet before turning on track.
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Old 18th Oct 2021, 08:45
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Also, the NOTAM covering this outage states the VOR is unserviceable 14th - 18th October. So today is the last day.

edit to add: the NOTAM is extended until the 21st. Certainly the non-standard departures are more time and fuel efficient. Will be nice if the future proposed departure paths are designed as efficiently. Modern aircraft are far quieter and in a post Covid world the older/noisier aircraft types are no more.

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Old 18th Oct 2021, 10:37
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I thought the CAA had a policy to remove departure and arrivals routes which had a VOR dependency by now so that the VOR network (or what remains of it) can be decommissioned?
Perhaps this is tied up with Manchester's CAP1616 submission somewhere? I seem to recall these things are linked?
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VOR outage

The SONEX 1R and 1Y departures,
Being a bit pedantic I suppose you need the MCT VOR to maintain track to the 3.00 DME point then turn to track 344 to intercept the WAL 081 towards SONEX but as most it will be done in NAV mode, it’s a bit academic. Passing the western boundary of the airfield you are almost half way to the 3.0D point.

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Because a lumbering 380 or 777 flying overhead is quite noisy!
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 07:47
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I see that Aer Lingus UK operate their first flight to Barbados tomorrow at 1015.
Good to see a new operation at Manchester.
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Yes just out on a jolly at present should be back in 30 mins or so
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 18:22
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Ryanair - new route to Ukraine

New FR route to Ukraine:
MAN - LWO (Lviv) announced twice weekly (Fri, Mon) year round.
Also,
MAN - KBP (Kyiv) returns twice weekly (Fri, Mon) from Nov year round.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:18
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United Airliners have confirmed that they will not resume EWR-MAN in S22
Along with no return of Delta or American Airlines, we have no American carriers in MAN S22
What routes have been confirmed MAN-USA for S22
We have Aer Lingus UK 2 x A330 plus poss 1 x A321 and Virgin A333 x ?
Also what Canadian airliners have confirmed for S22
Just seen EDI are getting 3x UA 757's plus AC & WS
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 21:31
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Ei UK will have 2 A333 and 2 321N for S22.
Boston commences on another 321N in April apparently.
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 22:42
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EDI also get Delta and AA...
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Old 19th Oct 2021, 22:44
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Quite surprised by this seeing as UA are sending the B752s back on the NAT next year. SNN, EDI and the second daily EWR-DUB rotation have been re-instated as a result. Staying away from Oneworld (EI-UK) and Skyteam (Virgin)? Seems unusual

IAG piled on Norwegian with Level across Europe and the densified BA 772s at LGW with great success, seems they're doing the same with Aer Lingus UK at MAN vs Virgin.
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Old 20th Oct 2021, 01:18
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Edinburgh and Dublin seem to have a much more balanced UK/US originating point of sale, both are capitals and popular city breaks in their own rights. Manchester is much more UK point of sale centric with relatively weaker invound demand and the US carriers seem to have accepted that. Perhaps that's another reason Delta gifted MAN to Virgin.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 12:41
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So I only see a daily MAN-MCO for S22, which presumably uses up one A333. Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but what's the other A333 going to do?
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