Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Flybe-V1

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10th Feb 2022, 19:11
  #1201 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 622
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ATNotts
BA318

I don't doubt that, but equally many seem not to understand how businesses generally work.
I have known quite a few airline CEOs, real ones not armchair and there are a few of them whose eyes glaze over at the mention of finance.
runway30 is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2022, 19:47
  #1202 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 3,109
Received 313 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally Posted by runway30
I have known quite a few airline CEOs, real ones not armchair and there are a few of them whose eyes glaze over at the mention of finance.
I seem to remember it being said some years ago that pilots shouldn't run airlines, but then there is a case for saying accountants shouldn't either!
ATNotts is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 14:05
  #1203 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Originally Posted by ETOPS
First Cabin crew just completed their course and there's a press call early next week.
Did the press call take place ? If not, when is the new date for it ?
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 15:09
  #1204 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 276
Received 5 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Did the press call take place ? If not, when is the new date for it ?
Well that’s the million dollar question! We keep being told by the (new) Flybe fans that everything will be revealed next week………but next week never seems to come.

Surely they can’t be planning a launch for S22, that window is quickly going as people are making plans now for summer. I wonder what their daily cash burn is right now with all the salaries outgoing with no income. Not insignificant I wouldn’t have thought.
Atlantic Explorer is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 16:13
  #1205 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Alternatively there won’t be much start up required if they are only going to be serving 2 or 3 routes initially!
SKOJB is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 16:48
  #1206 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 3,109
Received 313 Likes on 181 Posts
Teams was probably down!!!
ATNotts is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 18:13
  #1207 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: In front of a computer
Posts: 2,373
Received 100 Likes on 42 Posts
First Belfast crew have graduated and third ‘frame arrives shorty so I would expect some sort of publicity soon.
ETOPS is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 21:33
  #1208 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 776
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Be great to see Flybe back on the BHD-CWL route in the future !
Letsflycwl is offline  
Old 20th Feb 2022, 15:45
  #1209 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is there a Flybe announcement to be made at Belfast City this week?

A return is what we all expect the question is when?
Sharklet7 is offline  
Old 20th Feb 2022, 16:11
  #1210 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dorset
Posts: 677
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm hearing that a Flybe announcement should be before month end but probably not this week - so that rather points towards Monday 28th! In the same snippet, I'd also heard there was some issue with the Heathrow slots but don't profess to know exactly what.
Albert Hall is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2022, 14:53
  #1211 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
I'm hearing that a Flybe announcement should be before month end but probably not this week - so that rather points towards Monday 28th! In the same snippet, I'd also heard there was some issue with the Heathrow slots but don't profess to know exactly what.
And On and On it goes!
Could somebody please wake me up when something actually happens!!!
RHagrid is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2022, 20:53
  #1212 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Up There
Posts: 106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What’s not covered from Belfast now that a resurrection of BE could go after - Doncaster, Norwich? Or are they planning to bop up and slug it out toe to toe with the other regional airlines who are now operating these routes at BHD, two years after Flybe folded? If that’s the plan, hope the goldmine runs deep.
OneBellEnd is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2022, 21:30
  #1213 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 776
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by OneBellEnd
What’s not covered from Belfast now that a resurrection of BE could go after - Doncaster, Norwich? Or are they planning to bop up and slug it out toe to toe with the other regional airlines who are now operating these routes at BHD, two years after Flybe folded? If that’s the plan, hope the goldmine runs deep.
Don’t forget Cardiff
Letsflycwl is offline  
Old 21st Feb 2022, 21:42
  #1214 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 530
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It may not be that simple. Over the weekend, I looked to book a BHD-MAN sector for mid-April, only to find that no carrier has flights on sale. The Aer Lingus A320 is gone ... presumably back to Dublin. But the replacement Emerald AT76 services are not yet loaded for bookings. It is possible that FlyBe 2.0 could launch flights from BHD before Emerald does. They're both new operations. I'm not predicting which will enter the market first, just pointing out that neither are on sale yet - so FlyBe could still be the one with first-mover advantage on some former Aer Lingus routes if they launch before Emerald do.

Of course, I acknowledge that EasyJet operate BFS-MAN throughout. But those routes operated by the Aer Lingus A320 from BHD may be left temporarily vacant.
OzzyOzBorn is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 05:24
  #1215 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Antrim
Posts: 1,603
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
It may not be that simple. Over the weekend, I looked to book a BHD-MAN sector for mid-April, only to find that no carrier has flights on sale. The Aer Lingus A320 is gone ... presumably back to Dublin. But the replacement Emerald AT76 services are not yet loaded for bookings. It is possible that FlyBe 2.0 could launch flights from BHD before Emerald does. They're both new operations. I'm not predicting which will enter the market first, just pointing out that neither are on sale yet - so FlyBe could still be the one with first-mover advantage on some former Aer Lingus routes if they launch before Emerald do.

Of course, I acknowledge that EasyJet operate BFS-MAN throughout. But those routes operated by the Aer Lingus A320 from BHD may be left temporarily vacant.

If EIR do take up every route they've announced they will then there won't be any gap in service it will go from from one to the other carrier and I've even seen it suggested they'd use damp leasing of BA cityflyer a/c if needed.

I'd virtually bet on the fact the reason they've not announced yet is it's a game of cat and mouse and strongly suspect they'll not go head to head on any route. EZY were already doing BFS-MAN Ozzy before BE went bust, definitely room for two carriers in the market - not sure three would work for long. Also if BE launched BHD-MAN and BHX as is being suggested that's basically the two aircraft they have spoken for, it would need a minimum of three daily rotations to give them any sort of commercial edge.

mart901 is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 07:59
  #1216 (permalink)  
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They might offer BHD-LPL. Its unserved and the BFS-LPL route is a very busy one, so they could see an opportunity there.
BACsuperVC10 is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 08:01
  #1217 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Age: 59
Posts: 2,715
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
that's basically the two aircraft they have spoken for
3rd aircraft acquired apparently (JECP) according to Jethro's
Wycombe is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 09:07
  #1218 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Leicestershire
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Red face

EMA would be a good choice. Flybe use to have 3 or 4 rotations a day and always busy. Currently only served from International by Easy 4 times a week and nothing currently scheduled beyond end of March.
DRAGON RAPIDE is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 12:22
  #1219 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 3,109
Received 313 Likes on 181 Posts
Originally Posted by DRAGON RAPIDE
EMA would be a good choice. Flybe use to have 3 or 4 rotations a day and always busy. Currently only served from International by Easy 4 times a week and nothing currently scheduled beyond end of March.
I think you're right there. Even though business travel may never return to pre-pandemic levels there must surely be a demand for 2 x daily M-F morning and evening service between Belfast and EMA to serve what remaining business travel demand there is. You could say the same for LBA and CWL. BHX and MAN may be less certain, depends a lot on how quickly Emerald get their act together (and indeed how long it takes Flybe to do likewise!).

I suspect that if Flybe are to commence at the season changeover at the end of March they'll need to have their hands on at least 5 Dash 8s by then, but time alone will tell.

ATNotts is offline  
Old 22nd Feb 2022, 12:32
  #1220 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 530
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
mart901 - Which bit of my post led you to believe that I was unaware of EasyJet's history on BFS-MAN? I even referred to them. Please don't be condescending like that. Most people using this forum are or have been in the industry and are well aware of the basics. In my case, I've been using (and working with) flights between Belfast and MAN for years.

The point I made was that after Aer Lingus A320 service is withdrawn towards the end of March, nothing is on sale on BHD-MAN. Not Emerald, not FlyBe 2.0, not BA Cityflyer. None of them. So, as I said, FlyBe 2.0 does still have the opportunity to be first mover as the route resumes. Meanwhile, if any of them want some actual bookings (the important bit) they need to open their planned services for reservations. They won't be getting my mid-April booking anyway. I've made other arrangements. April travellers are making their plans now. If any carrier plans to serve the route by then (and perhaps they don't intend to), then they need to be accepting bookings already. They're probably best advised to hold off until at least May at this point.
OzzyOzBorn is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.