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Old 11th Sep 2022, 10:01
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Rumours that BA airframe will operate EI LHR for winter not Emerald ex BHD.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 12:44
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
Rumours that BA airframe will operate EI LHR for winter not Emerald ex BHD.
Why would Emerald have ever operated it?

It’s always been an Aer Lingus ‘mainline’ route using an A320. Neither Emerald or Stobart have ever operated to LHR under the Aer Lingus Regional franchise.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 23:09
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I think it was suggested more as a paperwork excercise for EI mainline to use Gemstone call sign rather than Shamrock rather than actual Emerald airframes but who knows. Aviation is just getting weirdly weird every day!
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 23:11
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Emerald Airlines UK

I have noticed that EI-GZY on jethroseu is on UK AOC and is registered G-CMJN

Checked caa g-info G-CMJN was registered 30th Sep

looks possible that Emerald Airlines UK might start at the end of the month?

as C of A Issue is 5th Oct

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Old 9th Oct 2022, 08:50
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G-CMJN had a successful proving flight with the CAA last week, it's on the ground in BHD now until the issue of AOC.
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That's a positive step forward.
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 18:17
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Uk AOC

Emerald had the UK AOC granted this afternoon.
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 18:53
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Emerald had the UK AOC granted this afternoon.
How did you hear this news? Emerald still arent listed on the list of AOCs the CAA have? Great news of its finally been issued though!!
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 20:46
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Emerald still arent listed on the list of AOCs the CAA have?
If correct (I cannot confirm), wait until Tue/Wed next week when they publish such info.
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 21:29
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Originally Posted by jethro15 View Post
If correct (I cannot confirm), wait until Tue/Wed next week when they publish such info.
The issue of the AOC has been a long time coming. The airline will be relieved to finally have it issued
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 23:02
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Would somebody be kind enough to explain why Emerald has both a UK and Irish AOC ? I understand a UK AOC might be required to fly UK mainland to/from Belfast... but if they have a UK AOC, why do they need to retain an Irish AOC ? Or are they planning to fly from the Republic to places like France ? Will UK-Ireland flights remain on the Irish AOC, or will they switch to the UK AOC ?

Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
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Old 18th Nov 2022, 23:14
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Would somebody be kind enough to explain why Emerald has both a UK and Irish AOC ? I understand a UK AOC might be required to fly UK mainland to/from Belfast... but if they have a UK AOC, why do they need to retain an Irish AOC ? Or are they planning to fly from the Republic to places like France ? Will UK-Ireland flights remain on the Irish AOC, or will they switch to the UK AOC ?

Apologies if this is obvious to others, but I'm trying to understand the overall business strategy
As a consequence of Brexit any airline with a base within the UK will require a UK AOC. Other airlines including Ryanair and Easyjet are doing the same, you may notice flights operated by Easyjet UK rather than Easyjet Europe, this depends on where the aircraft is based and under which AOC they are operating. In many ways it will appear as a separate airline on paper.

Emerald will have bases in both Ireland and the UK so will require both AOCs. Once UK AOC obtained we will see more aircraft transferred from the irish register to the UK reg.

Hope that clears up your query......
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 06:12
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It is a bit simpler than that (the term 'base' can be a bit of a minefield!)

Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)

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Old 19th Nov 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by sewushr View Post
It is a bit simpler than that (the term 'base' can be a bit of a minefield!)

Post Brexit, EU carriers are no longer permitted to operate UK domestic sectors, so these have to be flown using a UK AOC. Emerald operates Dublin-UK under their Irish AOC and will fly Belfast-other UK airports using their UK AOC. Same with Aer Lingus who are now flying Belfast-UK mainland under their UK AOC (albeit using wet-leased BA A320s)
DJ6 is right, Emerald could operate out of both Dublin and Belfast to the UK using their UK AOC, suspect it's more a case of timing in that the Irish AOC was in motion before the idea of a Belfast base (and thus the need for a UK AOC) came into being.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 08:40
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
DJ6 is right, Emerald could operate out of both Dublin and Belfast to the UK using their UK AOC, suspect it's more a case of timing in that the Irish AOC was in motion before the idea of a Belfast base (and thus the need for a UK AOC) came into being.
As an Irish Airline, operating for an Irish Airline with bases in Ireland it makes sense to have a EASA AOC allowing them to operate freely throughout Europe. The problem was the UK - UK flying out of BHD, thats where the need for a UK AOC comes from. If they went solely UK AOC it would cause issues in Dublin / Intra Europe flying... don't forget they offer ACMI services throughout Europe. Having both a UK and EASA AOC means they can offer ACMI to anyone in the UK and Europe now without any issue and operate their scheduled flying without hassle.
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Old 19th Nov 2022, 09:59
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Emerald is the operator of the Carrickfinn PSO and has to have an EU AOC to bid and fly that - they couldn't do that on a UK AOC and if they have designs on other operations like DUB-Rennes which Aer Arann/Stobart did for several years, they would need the EU AOC there also.

However you can have a UK base without having a UK AOC. Ryanair has several UK bases at which it has EI- aircraft only and SAS Link is an Irish-registered operator flying on behalf of SAS from a Heathrow base. You just can't fly UK domestics or from the UK to a non-EU country (unless air services agreements permit) on that basis.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 07:50
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Originally Posted by jethro15 View Post
If correct (I cannot confirm), wait until Tue/Wed next week when they publish such info.
Unfortunately I can't upload anything on here, the AOC number is GB 2487. Should make it easier for you to find.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 15:18
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Emerald flight cancellations

Does this have anything to do with the cancellations out of BHD or is it more to do with crew shortages?
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 19:32
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The recent cancellations were due to crew being transferred to the UK AOC, so that they'd be ready to start operations when the AOC was issued, which was slightly delayed.
Unfortunately this meant they couldn't fly on the Irish AOC
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 21:26
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Would anyone be able to say what is switching from the Irish AOC to the UK AOC, and when the changes are planned to happen ?
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