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Old 5th Aug 2020, 21:51
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Leasing slots? expensive charges? For the coming winter season at least, isn't this all old world thinking? As I said earlier - LHR will be happy for this route to run until they get back up to near capacity.

I’m really struggling to see where the demand to London (LHR and LCY) from the MME area is all of a sudden, especially during the current climate.
Don't forget that LHR was a successful route for BMA for many years, and LBA-LHR has now disappeared. Might well be that it was the supply that was missing, and not the demand (for LHR at least!)
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 22:44
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Not sure the timings will suit anyone except perhaps a leisure/late connecting passenger
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 23:52
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The way the Mayor was talking the Heathrow route was an 'opportunity' that arose so they took advantage of it - some great footage on Look North of a BMA Viscount when the Heathrow service first commenced in 1969.

Also some interesting analysis on Anna.Aero of the Teesside to Amsterdam market - best load factor in a few years last year at 75%, and some information on where the transfer traffic goes, with Alicante as the biggest transfer destination with Heathrow second!
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 08:13
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Heathrow second ? I know a few posts on here in the past alluded to that journey! I can’t believe many high flying businessmen(if they still exist after all this) would use that elongated time wasting route when a train will get them there in a couple of hours? Plus now a direct flight.
Alicante first? So the two main transfer routes through KLM and Amsterdam potentially effected? Hence my thoughts on a possible permanent reduction by KLM once these two are up and running from TIA?

I know Newcastle were wary of other airlines introducing new routes in case it affected existing ones? It’s generally a small market in the NE and at the moment,a shrinking one?

Strange times ahead.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 09:48
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Were people really flying Teesside to Heathrow via Amsterdam en masse? Iím shocked if true.

Similarly Alicante to be honest as I didnít think KLM flew there unless the transfer was onwards with Transavia or another alirline.
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 10:38
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Were people really flying Teesside to Heathrow via Amsterdam en masse? Iím shocked if true.

Similarly Alicante to be honest as I didnít think KLM flew there unless the transfer was onwards with Transavia or another alirline.
Yes, you can go MME-AMS-ALC one one ticket using KLM & Transavia. Connections are not always great though.

Agree on the MME-AMS-LHR traffic, but what staggered me was 1,544 passengers a year to Atyrau in Khazakstan!
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 11:03
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka View Post
Yes, you can go MME-AMS-ALC one one ticket using KLM & Transavia. Connections are not always great though.

Agree on the MME-AMS-LHR traffic, but what staggered me was 1,544 passengers a year to Atyrau in Khazakstan!
Now, Kazakhstan doesnít surprise me as that is big oil and gas territory and the KLM route is often dominated by workers heading somewhere like that for their 3 week stint.

Is it possible to see that top 20 final destinations of the Amsterdam passengers?
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 11:05
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Agree on the MME-AMS-LHR traffic, but what staggered me was 1,544 passengers a year to Atyrau in Khazakstan!
I thought the story as to why KLM had stuck around through thick and thin was because they picked up a lot of high-value business travel linked to the petro-chemical industry. I don't think a 75% load factor on the smallest a/c in the fleet is that great, but if the front of the a/c is making big bucks who cares if the back is full of Sky Team members using miles to fly to LHR and ALC....
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 11:40
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Decent numbers travelling around the North Sea destinations including Copenhagen (2685), Stavanger (1697), Billund (1690), Bergen (1490) among other places too. Perhaps shows where the strengths lie in this areas skill base...
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 12:52
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
I thought the story as to why KLM had stuck around through thick and thin was because they picked up a lot of high-value business travel linked to the petro-chemical industry. I don't think a 75% load factor on the smallest a/c in the fleet is that great, but if the front of the a/c is making big bucks who cares if the back is full of Sky Team members using miles to fly to LHR and ALC....
The days of oilfield folks working 3 weeks have long gone, as well as travelling up front.

KL has an interline agreement with Air Astana (KC), for their 5 x Week AMS-GUW flight. I have flown in the KC flight many times, itís usually half full, but the tickets are three times the price of flying LHR-TSE and then onto GUW, both for Y class.

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Old 6th Aug 2020, 12:55
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Now, Kazakhstan doesnít surprise me as that is big oil and gas territory and the KLM route is often dominated by workers heading somewhere like that for their 3 week stint.

Is it possible to see that top 20 final destinations of the Amsterdam passengers?
Oil and gas is definately big business for MME-AMS but in my experience people seem to going to/from the Gulf countries, North Africa & Norway. KLM do not serve Atyrau but there is a three times a week codeshare with Air Astana direct from AMS (or you can fly Aeroflot via Moscow).

Estimated passengers over Amsterdam (two ways)
Alicante 12,172
London Heathrow 5,121
Copenhagen 2,685
Venice 1,801
Munich 1,759
Stavanger 1,697
Billund 1,690
Atyrau 1,544
Berlin Tegel 1,497
Bergen 1,490


Here is the full article: https://www.anna.aero/2020/08/05/eas...iven-schedule/
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 14:53
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I canít believe that many people would take such a convoluted route to Heathrow. Is this in fact counting people starting out from Heathrow or Teesside and ending up back at the other after having flown to Denmark/Kazakhstan etc in between?
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Old 6th Aug 2020, 15:19
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall View Post
You have to wonder how deep the Mayor's pockets are. His opponent has a fair point.

They have no slots for this winter at LHR and running an E170 into LHR is a very expensive exercise as the noise margin means that it's charged more for landing than an A320. It could be a very expensive flash in the pan.
Seems we can either have a responsibly-run unsuccessful airport by Peel or an irresponsibly-run successful nationalised one 😔
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Old 9th Aug 2020, 13:35
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Jun CAA stats:

Terminal passengers: 178 - down 99% v prior year
  • Aberdeen: 62
  • Belfast City: 56
  • Cardiff: 60 (charter for Swansea FC?)
The ABZ and BHD flights restarted on 22 Jul (weekdays only) so 7 daily returns for a total of 14 flights each in the month. Clearly very early days (and of course the numbers are over 5 weeks old now) but this means 4.4 people per flight on ABZ and 4.0 on BHD. Assuming (despite covid-19), Eastern would sell all 29 seats on a J41 if they could, this would be a load factor of 15.3% on ABS and 13.8% on BHD. I guess we will know a lot more when August numbers come out.
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Old 9th Aug 2020, 14:34
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Talking Number of Movements

On the positive side really movements are the important thing, although the airport slipped to 15th busiest in the country, but still way ahead of Newcastle and Leeds. All generating some income I guess..
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Old 9th Aug 2020, 19:19
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Most of the movements were Falcons...which are an annual Contract..so I suppose no daily/ monthly income unless the contract is skewed to daily/weekly or monthly system?
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 07:34
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Looks like the Netherlands will be added to the quarantine/advise against all but essential travel list from Saturday. This includes transit stops.

Not great for the returning KLM which I guess is at risk of being pulled again.
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 18:45
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The guy on the LHR Facebook page who announced that Eastern were launching MME-LHR with an E170 (he did jump the gun a few weeks earlier as well) has just updated his post. He says that they will also be running an E190 on the route and that after the launch in September, it will increase to 3 daily.

Let's see if this happens but if Eastern have managed to nab those FlyBe remedy slots from BA, then I guess this would mean the end of MME-LCY?
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Old 14th Aug 2020, 20:22
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Responding to a question from Cllr Chris Barlow over whether the combined authority had paid up front for flights that didn't happen, Ms Gilhespie (Tees Valley Combined Authority chief executive) added: “The combined authority is not directly subsidising airlines. We have provided a turn-around budget to the airport, but the airport is in control in terms of how it manages that.”
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...llors-18767227
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Old 15th Aug 2020, 08:48
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All airports are loosing massive amounts of money at this present time.TIA will be no different..an expected loss of £2 million per year will be the tip of the iceberg? It will be interesting to see up dated figures when available?

With Wizz going to Doncaster..I think you can now count on half of one hand the potential low cost carriers left..to be the Knight in shining armour ?

As previously stated ,its a blessing,Cobhams,FR etc. are currently paying their way.
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