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[LAX_LHR]

BHX (and BRS) run off away based flights and only 4 at that, so, the crews unlikely to be based.

Given MAN only has a Thu-Sun base, may not pay to have a crew base just yet, unless they are part time with Mon/Tue/Wed as days off, so I’d say they will remain LCY based for the foreseeable.

[BAladdy]

Possibility that MAN will just be a 2 aircraft op again next Summer. BACF have started actioning schedule changes for S18. The first two confirmed changes released

BHX-IBZ - Is being dropped completely for S18
MAN-JMK - Day of operation change from Friday to Saturday.

Booking system to be updated later today to reflect the changes to MAN-JMK. BHX-IBZ has already been removed from sale.

[LAX_LHR]

That’s odd then as the schedule I posted earlier was quite a recent change too, and seemed to fit well, especially with 2 extra aircraft coming to CJ.

I do wonder if there is a work in progress then?

If not, still may be more capacity as the 2nd based used to sit at MAN between arriving on Sat and departing on Sun. With JMK moving to a Saturday it frees up a Friday slot at the very least.

I wonder if the BHX flights will not operate at all next summer? Ibiza gone, Florence highly likely to go the same way, Palma now has Primera competition too.

[BAladdy]

Loads on the BHX flights last summer were not great. A lot of that is probably down to the flights really late evening departure times. Landing in IBZ 2am is not exactly ideal. Especially if you are going on holiday.

[LAX_LHR]

The late IBZ clearly didn’t affect MAN too much, the Thu flight arrives in IBZ 0115, and another at 2340. The load/yield must justify the Thu flight from City being the only flight that night, otherwise they may as well wait until Friday to fly into the MAN base?

[marko1]

At the moment all bristols flights are still available. Will this continue to be the case and will there be more opportunities to follow ?

[Flightrider]

Highly unlikely that MAN would become a crew base. Even GLA - where they have two nightstops every night during the week and up to seven at weekends for charters - isn't a crew base (only EDI and LCY are) and so there's nothing likely to confer that status at MAN based on a much smaller weekend programme.

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by LAX_LHR

The late IBZ clearly didn’t affect MAN too much, the Thu flight arrives in IBZ 0115, and another at 2340. The load/yield must justify the Thu flight from City being the only flight that night, otherwise they may as well wait until Friday to fly into the MAN base?

You are right that the late Thursday flight early am arrival into IBZ hasn’t been affected. The reason for that is in a big way down to the overall schedule to IBZ. The schedule at MAN offers pax to travel to IBZ for a long weekend. Something not offered on the BHX route.

I travelled on the MAN service back in July. I decided to book the Thursday flight out and the Sunday afternoon flight back. Both flights were completely full and the most expensive to book for travel over that weekend. When I boarded the flight home I would say that about 75% of the pax were on the same flight I had flown out on a couple of days prior..

[RealFish]

Originally Posted by LAX_LHR

That’s odd then as the schedule I posted earlier was quite a recent change too, and seemed to fit well, especially with 2 extra aircraft coming to CJ.

I do wonder if there is a work in progress then?

If not, still may be more capacity as the 2nd based used to sit at MAN between arriving on Sat and departing on Sun. With JMK moving to a Saturday it frees up a Friday slot at the very least.

I wonder if the BHX flights will not operate at all next summer? Ibiza gone, Florence highly likely to go the same way, Palma now has Primera competition too.

Disappointed if BHX > FLR does go...we’re booked on an early summer flight! Just checked the outbound which seems to show 10 Club seats already spoken for.

I think the problem last year was the late announcement of routes, long after many had arranged summer travel.

[virginblue]

As we are just at it - what average loads do the LCY-MAN vv. flights on Thursdays / Sundays have?

[inOban]

Originally Posted by Flightrider

Highly unlikely that MAN would become a crew base. Even GLA - where they have two nightstops every night during the week and up to seven at weekends for charters - isn't a crew base (only EDI and LCY are) and so there's nothing likely to confer that status at MAN based on a much smaller weekend programme.

Or do BACF have a single cohort of crew which serves both EDI and GLA?

[The96er]

As we are just at it - what average loads do the LCY-MAN vv. flights on Thursdays / Sundays have?

Typical loads were approx. 40 passengers. The Late MAN-LCY on the Sun was the more popular, however, a good percentage of the passengers were connecting of the I/bound IBZ-MAN due overbooking of the IBZ-LCY.

[Flightrider]

It's mostly LCY crew who nightstop GLA. There are some taxi journeys to/from EDI on the rosters. Dual EDI/GLA basing no longer permissible under the EASA Flight Time Limitations as the distance between the two airports exceeds the legally stipulated maximum for dual basing to be possible.

[inOban]

Thanks for that. So many people now live between Edinburgh and Glasgow precisely because it gives their family access to employment anywhere along the Edinbrow/Glasburgh megacity that I thought that they might be able to share crew. But no.

[OltonPete]

BHX-FLR

Another factor affecting the BHX service was weather/logistics. The aircraft flew LCY-FLR-BRS-FLR-BHX-FLR and early on was quite disrupted with delays and cancellations due weather issues affecting Florence. FR24 shows a better performance in the since September with a couple flights disrupted in October and one September.

A case of deja vu for BHX - FLR as flybe basically gave up on the 175 operating the route due to operational reasons with the 195 was subbed in and eventually the service ended.

I sat on the 175 for an hour with 85 other pax whilst they searched for the missing tow-bar which must have been hiding in the hold under the 30 or so bags they removed and a brief shower took the temperature down a couple of degrees before we departed.

Fares and loads seemed okay on the BACF Florence with September showing 84% load factor but BHX IBZ and for that matter Palma were awful at times although Malaga seemed fine.

[RealFish]

Originally Posted by LAX_LHR

Sat
BA7332 FLR 1710 MAN 1845**
BA7331 MAN 1930 FLR2250**

*this May be subject to change as these flights were showing at one point but the next vanished again

**Im pretty sure this replaces the BHX-FLR flight as it may just be a coincidence but the timings are very similar, in fact pretty much the same barring the flying time difference, to the BHX one and was under the impression only one aircraft nightstopped at FLR, but of course a second aircraft may be introduced or a W pattern (but the aircraft does get back very late for a W pattern and I can’t see 2xFLR-LCY on Sunday given STN also has a sunday afternoon FLR.)

BHX > FLR has been confirmed with new timings

BA7025 BHX 06:00 FLR 09:20
BA7024 FLR 10:05 BHX 11:30

[LAX_LHR]

Aircraft becomes BHX ‘based’ for the new flight times.

Sat
BA7032 PMI 0155 BHX 0330
BA7025 BHX 0600 FLR 0920
BA7024 FLR 1005 BHX 1130
BA7029 BHX 1220 PMI 1550
BA7028 PMI 1645 BHX 1820
BA7031 BHX 1905 AGP 2300
BA7032 AGP 2350 BHX 0145+1
Sun
BA7029 BHX 0815 PMI 1145

[Plane.Silly]

pushing for a 6 sector day, lets hope it doesn't go tech...

[daz211]

How does STN look for summer 18, wish they would add STN-JMK this route is untouched at STN and to many Airlines on the popular sun routers.

[LAX_LHR]

The summer schedule for MAN so far, but is a work in progress.

Thu
BA7310 LCY 1940 MAN 2040-from base
BA7315 MAN 2135 IBZ 0115+1
Fri
BA7316 IBZ 0155 MAN 0340
BA7317 MAN 0540 AGP 0940
BA7318 AGP 1025 MAN 1230
BA7324 MAN 1315 PMI 1700
BA7325 PMI 1755 MAN 1940
BA7313 MAN 2025 IBZ 0015
Sat
BA7312 IBZ 0050 MAN 0240
BA7321 MAN 0550 ALC 0940
BA7317 MAN 0600 AGP 1000
BA7322 ALC 1025 MAN 1220
BA7314 IBZ 1045 MAN 1230****
BA7318 AGP 1045 MAN 1250
BA7323 MAN 1315 NCE 1635
BA7319 MAN 1415 JMK 2015
BA7332 FLR 1710 MAN 1845**
BA7324 NCE 1720 MAN 1845
BA7331 MAN 1930 FLR 2250**
BA7315 MAN 1930 IBZ 2320
BA7320 JMK 2100 MAN 2310***
Sun
BA7316 IBZ 0005 MAN 0150
BA7325 MAN 0555 PMI 0940
BA7326 PMI 1025 MAN 1210
BA7315 MAN 1250 IBZ 1640
BA7313 MAN 1445 MAN 1835- then goes elsewhere
BA7314 IBZ 1725 MAN 1910
BA7311 MAN 1955 LCY 2055-back to base

3 aircraft appear to be stationed, and 28 weekly flights so far. All are bookable, barring Florence which is yet to be announced. This uses a FLR originating aircraft that previously ran to BHX.

Some quirks:

-it’s not yet know where the 2nd Aircraft comes from on Friday night to operate the first outbound on Saturday. It then departs 1445 Sunday to IBZ, so, potentially a new route from 0550-1400 on Sunday, Faro perhaps?

-Florence as stated is yet to be announced but is loaded internally.

-The 3rd aircraft arrives 1220 on sat from IBZ. It used to ground stop until 1320on Sunday by then running back to LCY. That particular LCY flight now no longer operates, so either another flight will be loaded (it’s certainly loaded on the internal MAN systems) or that particular IBZ flight will be taken off sale.

As said, MAN is definately a work in progress as something changes each time I view the flights, and we know FLR at least is still to come, but, a decent increase compared to S17 already.