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Old 18th Jun 2018, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
I take it you are joking. Fares clearing £100 return Inc taxes to Athens implies a yield nett of around £35 per sector if all seats are sold at that approximate level. For a four hour sector, that's not healthy - it's an economic disaster area even with ancillary revenue.
It might not set the record book alight, but if it wasn't profitable, surely they'd ditch it.
And i'd be surprised if "all seats are sold at that approximate level", they will surely push the fares up once they start selling or get closer to departure. That would also help with profitablility
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 13:00
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Hainan to swap to the 787-9 on 1st July, then to the 787-8 after 20th July.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 15:46
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So soon to be making changes. Perhaps always planned. Equally could be in response to very low initial loads (anectdotally reported as low as 30%). Was pretty short launch lead time so one would expect it to perk up hopefully even if only during peak summer months.
Interesting latest CAA stats for northern middle east routes showing only QR and EY declining. EK bound to shake that up.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 07:37
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Originally Posted by mullac30 View Post
Hainan to swap to the 787-9 on 1st July, then to the 787-8 after 20th July.
Unfortunately it looks like the Hainan flights have also been dropped from the winter schedule. No direct flights after the 27th October loaded. 😢 Still shows on EDI site and goes against original announcements of all year round. Perhaps still to be loaded but doubt it.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 08:12
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This all seems a little bit strange. Even if the bookings are a bit low you'd have thought they'd have given it two or three months to see how things went. Are the Dublin flights still in the system? Is the impending arrival of EK at EDI hoovering up Chinese tourists (many of whom like to visit Dubai en route to or from Europe).
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 08:21
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
This all seems a little bit strange. Even if the bookings are a bit low you'd have thought they'd have given it two or three months to see how things went. Are the Dublin flights still in the system? Is the impending arrival of EK at EDI hoovering up Chinese tourists (many of whom like to visit Dubai en route to or from Europe).
Dublin doesn't seem to appear either for me at least. I'd be very surprised if they changed it to a seasonal route this early on. Hopefully it's just an error in the system.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 11:40
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Maybe the double drop arrangement will end from 27 October and Dublin and Edinburgh will each get their own flights thereafter?
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 11:54
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Something afoot given you cant seem to be able to book any winter timetable flights which doesnt help the already short lead launch and forward bookings (Im sure the origibal fanfare confirmed year round). Flights from Nov connect via BRU/MAN
Seems a bit of a mish-mash so far. The aircraft switching, double drop and a 'relatively' unknown carrier in UK might need some work. Maybe a direct short peak summer service might have been a better option first.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 12:16
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HU only filed the current schedule into early Nov so I expect a finial decision will be due soon but given they announce things with a month or two could well be September.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 15:39
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
This all seems a little bit strange. Even if the bookings are a bit low you'd have thought they'd have given it two or three months to see how things went. Are the Dublin flights still in the system? Is the impending arrival of EK at EDI hoovering up Chinese tourists (many of whom like to visit Dubai en route to or from Europe).
Do have any stats regarding your comments (Chinese tourists many of whom like to visit Dubai en route to or from Europe)?

I have to say that's news to me, there may be a fair amount that do but the majority of those Chinese tourists tend to fly directly to Europe, that's how I perceive it especially in my line of work.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 17:22
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I don't know what it is that attracts Chinese tourists to the middle east particularly. I can't say I've ever heard of them wanting to spend a day or two in Dubai, Doha or Abu Dhabi en-route in any sizeable figure anyway. They tend to be more interested in European cities as they are so vastly different to their own. The large groups often fly in, do a circuit of a country, or maybe a few neighbouring countries in a fully loaded, high impact tour and then go straight home.

As for HU. It is a bit of a mix and match, but then it is very early days. I've heard the route will go direct for DUB and EDI in winter, but then that's not from any kind of reliable source, just hearsay. I doubt they would have invested in the local staff, the GHA training and had the high profile launch to have a short summer only service. Not only that but EDI has also gone all out, updating signs in the terminal to show Mandarin way finding for the transit passengers and a large floor to ceiling set of instructions for said passengers in the baggage hall. They clearly have long term plans.

The road access at EDI has been inadequate for several years. The RHS (which IMO is in the wrong city anyway, it would be better placed in Stirling, Perth, or a location in Fife) just adds to an already strained network of roads and the whole thing fails. This year they have been particularly over enthusiastic and have closed off roads and made diversion routes a good week or so before the RHS actually starts. Extremely annoying for those of us who use the airport regularly. They have a solution for staff though. The old taxi ways and runway 12/30 has been opened up as an alternative exit from the staff car parks to avoid the main road out. That will take away a few hundred cards throughout the day, so that does help somewhat, but it's only for staff. I suspect this route will one day be an official road from the Maybury direction. Building a dedicated road to Gogarburn roundabout is one thing, but I hope they don't ignore the other direction too. I would argue that most traffic to EDI comes from the M8/M9 and once they hit Newbridge that's where the bottlenecks happen. The M8/M9 should have been extended to the Gyle as a spur road and the Airport/RHS given a proper dedicated route in and out. The traffic has no option but to build up when it goes from Motorway to A road to country lane in the space of barely 2 miles.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 18:01
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I can assure you that if you visit Dubai (as I do regularly) the place is hoching with Chinese visitors staying 24/48 hours. To some extent they have replaced the Russians. All the staff in the upmarket hotels now know at least a few phrases of Manderin.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 18:06
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But are they heading for Europe? More likely to their big projects in Africa.

After all heading to the UK from China via the ME3 is going the long way round.
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Old 19th Jun 2018, 19:03
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They are tourists, not project workers. They are heading to or returning from Europe.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 07:08
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@EDI on Twitter confines to me that EDI still believes the Hainan service to Beijing is year round and that flights will go on sale ďsoonĒ I defer to their inside knowledge on this. Currently still no direct flights on the Hainan web site to EDI in W18.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 07:50
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Just a quick defence of the RHS, it brings 190,000 visitors to Edinburgh, it’s been at the Ingliston site since 1960 and it owns the land it’s on. The Ingliston site is used for more than just the RHS and they have looked at different sites in Edinburgh but nothing is available that has the same infrastructure. It would be expensive for the airport to buy the land from the RHS into tens of millions which I believe they still only rent parts from the RHS. Also since the RHS is an Edinburgh Organisation why should it leave Edinburgh because it means some extra time to get to the airport?
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 10:01
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Originally Posted by GLAEDI View Post
Also since the RHS is an Edinburgh Organisation why should it leave Edinburgh because it means some extra time to get to the airport?
Who said it should?
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 10:26
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Originally Posted by GLAEDI View Post
Just a quick defence of the RHS, it brings 190,000 visitors to Edinburgh, it’s been at the Ingliston site since 1960 and it owns the land it’s on. The Ingliston site is used for more than just the RHS and they have looked at different sites in Edinburgh but nothing is available that has the same infrastructure. It would be expensive for the airport to buy the land from the RHS into tens of millions which I believe they still only rent parts from the RHS. Also since the RHS is an Edinburgh Organisation why should it leave Edinburgh because it means some extra time to get to the airport?
It's in everyones interest for them to move. I'm sure the attendees of the Highland Show hate sitting in the inevitable queues just as much as the airport passengers do.

The land they are on will be worth a fortune to the airport - cash in, buy up a cheap plot of land in the middle of nowhere, and build up a new, larger venue, and still have some change left over.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Speedywheels View Post
Who said it should?
it has been mentioned on here before, as recently as edi_localĎs post saying it should be moved to Stirling, Perth or Fife as in his opinion itís not to be celebrated in Capital of the country because it upsets some people getting to the airport. Itís a huge tourist attraction, celebrating Scottish Culture and rural life, itís home should be in the Capital.
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Old 20th Jun 2018, 10:33
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
It's in everyones interest for them to move. I'm sure the attendees of the Highland Show hate sitting in the inevitable queues just as much as the airport passengers do.

The land they are on will be worth a fortune to the airport - cash in, buy up a cheap plot of land in the middle of nowhere, and build up a new, larger venue, and still have some change left over.
or the airport moves to Grangemouth like the original plans were. Maybe itís now to big for its current situation. Would reduce the noise pollution in and around Edinburgh & West Lothian. It would reduce congestion on the routes into the city.

If the RHS was move to a rural place in the middle of nowhere, quite how do 190,000 visitors never mind the people that put the event together get there?

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