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Old 13th Mar 2018, 10:24
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Don't DfT rules insist all passengers routing DUB-EDI-xyz re-clear security at EDI? This is why double drops no longer work in the UK market. DfT doesn't recognise any non UK security as to be a high enough standard, and to be fair, having come through some sleepier European airports in recent years, I can see why.
There are still double drops from international grounds ie AYT-LGW-MAN operates during the winter, not sure about CTA to be honest
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 10:26
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Half of DUBs service will be non stop the other half via EDI however no idea if EDI will get its own direct or will be announced this week in Scotland.

Unless it has changed.
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Old 13th Mar 2018, 16:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Or maybe it's nowt to do with APD and there isn't sufficient demand. DUB and EDI aren't the same markets, differentiated just by APD.
Agreed, very different markets, but APD works against EDI, having said that the loads out of EDI have stabilised and there have been some very good loads of late.

A number of SWF DUB rotations are already full for next month, the loads on SNN & BFS are good, BFS benefits from reduced APD under devolved powers.

Itís hallirious that the greens oppose the reduction in APD so more people fly to LHR before heading off over the pond, good joined up thinking that.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 10:00
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The problem isnít just DfT rules but also Immigration & Customs for the CTA.

1) all pax must clear Immigration at first point of arrival into the CTA ie EDI will clear for Eire & DUB would clear for U.K. this is where the problem arises is that for Immigration dirty passengers will be mixed with clean passengers. So a pax who is Transitting without Visa through Dublin will then be on a DUB - EDI CTA which increases the chances of undocumented arrivals. In practice a CHN national with a schengen visa could fly from Paris to DUB to join the DUB-EDI-PEK flight without see the Garda as long as they Transit airside. They then get off the flight in Edinburgh and claim Asylum. This is why these flights require permission from the Director General of Border Force

2) although CTA is free movement of people itís still a Customs area for Prohibited & Restricted goods. Again the risks are higher for these flights.

3) nobody knows what will happen regards the U.K. & EU Border thatís being created by Brexit

4) Edinburgh had also asked for the passengers to enter the common departure lounge whilst being processed to DfT standards (they want them buying Duty Free) again this is a problem with an exit to the U.K. thatís not controlled.

Very complicated hence a great deal of negotiations. Also arenít Hainan in finincial trouble??
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 11:58
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Very complicated hence a great deal of negotiations. Also arenít Hainan in finincial trouble??
Hainan arnt in trouble... itís there parent group HNA that are in trouble
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 12:04
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Hainan arn't in trouble... it’s their parent group HNA that are in trouble
Which is the same thing ! - If the parent company fails, so do its subsidiaries unless purchased by someone else.
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 15:47
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Considering the argument is over non payment of aviation fuel, I suggest for an airline, the fuel getting turned off is a huge problem!
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 22:24
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Globes English - Israir to launch Tel Aviv - Scotland, Norway routes
Is this a rehash of last years launch that never came to anything?
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Old 14th Mar 2018, 23:04
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Will operate Wednesday’s 6H229/6H230 from June until 10th Oct.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 01:22
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Which is the same thing ! - If the parent company fails, so do its subsidiaries unless purchased by someone else.
Hainan are purchasing HNA, HNA also are a major shareholder in Swissport... if HNA fail that would mean Swissport also could fall into difficulty
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 10:17
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Having been in the local media since last night, the Beijing flights are now announced on the EDI website.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 12:44
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Having been in the local media since last night, the Beijing flights are now announced on the EDI website.
Really great news and congrats must go to all that worked so hard to secure this service.

That is one of the rumours from up this thread ticked off at least.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 17:09
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I wonder if this will make china eastern turn away from a route to Shanghai
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Old 16th Mar 2018, 11:16
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Good news for Scotland in general. You've got to laugh at the TV coverage on the BBC where the Scottish Tourism officials keep banging on about how this means Chinese visitors won't have to travel via London (and only London). Don't they realise that they also travel via Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc etc
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 10:58
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Good news for Scotland in general. You've got to laugh at the TV coverage on the BBC where the Scottish Tourism officials keep banging on about how this means Chinese visitors won't have to travel via London (and only London). Don't they realise that they also travel via Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar, Amsterdam, Frankfurt etc etc
I think what they meant is Chinese tourists come to the UK, stopping in London for a few days, before making a secondary, short trip to Scotland. Now they can come direct to Scotland as a main trip, spending longer here.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 12:12
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Id be surprised if most inbound Chinese tourists came to Scotland and only Scotland... without backtracking either way to visit London.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:25
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Unless those Chinese tourists have been to the UK before and wish to visit other areas of the country on their return visit without having to transit or visit London, these Chinese tourists tend to be wealthy and are venturing further afield, there are some more on these forums who assume that the Chinese only ever make the one visit to our shores and that means London is involved which I can assure you is not always the case.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 19:52
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Indeed but the point I was making is that you already can visit Scotland from China without going to London. I know from personal experience that Dubai attracts large numbers of Chinese tourists who are, by and large, en-route to or from Europe.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 14:55
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Id be surprised if most inbound Chinese tourists came to Scotland and only Scotland... without backtracking either way to visit London.
I think you underestimate Chinese tourism in Scotland. With so many Chinese students now studying here anyone visiting them is likely to have an extended stay in Scotland visit more than the usual 2 days in Edinburgh tacked on to the end of a UK package deal, which has been the norm. Scotland has been heavily promoted to the Chinese market in recent years.
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