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Old 1st Sep 2020, 12:28
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall View Post
Hmmm ... Doncaster to Eindhoven.

Why?
As in "we want to cream off the AMS business built up by Flybe but" (make your pick) a) "we cannot get slots at slot-constrained AMS" or b) "we are too stingy to pay AMS fees"

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Old 1st Sep 2020, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
Seens the most unlikely city paring.
Its not too strange when you consider the catchment of Eindhoven which is huge and the catchment of DSA. Eindhoven is within about 90 mins of Amsterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Maastricht, Rotterdam.
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Old 1st Sep 2020, 13:18
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Maybe a good City route for its connectivity but Sunday and Wednesday only and early afternoon is Going to limit its practicality
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 04:17
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Its not too strange when you consider the catchment of Eindhoven which is huge and the catchment of DSA. Eindhoven is within about 90 mins of Amsterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Maastricht, Rotterdam.
That sounds about the same logic as Ryanair's early logic of "Let's fly people to the middle of nowhere where nobody actually wants to travel to"!
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 06:11
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Certainly works/worked for Ryanair...
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 06:44
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
That sounds about the same logic as Ryanair's early logic of "Let's fly people to the middle of nowhere where nobody actually wants to travel to"!
Yes but Eindhoven, an actual city with a regular Champions League team and which is home to a huge multinational in Phillips as well as a lot of other industry and with an airport that already serves a number of destinations, is a somewhat different proposition to say Skavsta or Hahn which previously had almost nothing.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 10:30
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Yes but Eindhoven, an actual city with a regular Champions League team and which is home to a huge multinational in Phillips as well as a lot of other industry and with an airport that already serves a number of destinations, is a somewhat different proposition to say Skavsta or Hahn which previously had almost nothing.
So shall Doncaster Rovers be playing PSV Eindhoven anytime soon?

Eindhoven is a loco and holiday charter airport, pretty much people fly from Eindhoven to take a nice holiday and not to travel to Eindhovem, not even KLM are interested in serving it, roll on Costa del Doncaster!
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 13:41
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
So shall Doncaster Rovers be playing PSV Eindhoven anytime soon?

Eindhoven is a loco and holiday charter airport, pretty much people fly from Eindhoven to take a nice holiday and not to travel to Eindhovem, not even KLM are interested in serving it, roll on Costa del Doncaster!
KLM focuses on their bread and butter - Amsterdam. Similar to why BA doesn't fly to Birmingham or Stansted for example.

Wizz also serves Eindhoven with a couple of dozen routes already which makes it easier for them to fly there.

I think the Canary routes are a great move, although I'm not too sure EIN will be a big hit. I don't think there's many VFR or business pax in either direction (unless I'm missing something) and I agree that Amsterdam city itself is quite far (and expensive to get there from Eindhoven airport).

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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 15:37
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Originally Posted by MDS View Post
KLM focuses on their bread and butter - Amsterdam. Similar to why BA doesn't fly to Birmingham or Stansted for example.

Wizz also serves Eindhoven with a couple of dozen routes already which makes it easier for them to fly there.

I think the Canary routes are a great move, although I'm not too sure EIN will be a big hit. I don't think there's many VFR or business pax in either direction (unless I'm missing something) and I agree that Amsterdam city itself is quite far (and expensive to get there from Eindhoven airport).
Not that so many people holiday in such areas, but Eindhoven isn't so far from Maastricht (an excellent city break destination) and the South Limburg area of the Netherlands which is just about the most undulating part of the country, very picturesque and contains attractions such as Valkenburg and the ZLSM preserved railway, both of which are worth a visit. Further afield is the Ardenne in Belgium, and the Eifel in Germany, again both very much under rated tourist areas. If it weren't for the fact that we prefer to drive to the region, living where I do, DSA/EIN would be attractive.

Job to do for some tourist bodies in The Netherlands, Germany and Belgium methinks.
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Old 2nd Sep 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by MDS View Post
KLM focuses on their bread and butter - Amsterdam. Similar to why BA doesn't fly to....Stansted for example....
BACF have operated lots of flights to Stansted last summer and winter. When you have lots of planes you utilise them when you can.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 01:36
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Originally Posted by MDS View Post
KLM focuses on their bread and butter - Amsterdam. Similar to why BA doesn't fly to Birmingham or Stansted for example.
BA might not do STN, the same as they don't do LTN, because they already operate to/from three LON airports.

KLM Cityhopper and/or KLM Exel targeted such regional airports as EIN, GRQ, MST & RTM when they operated an appropriately sized puddle-jumper fleet of 50 seats or less, nowadays operating a fleet with their smallest sized aircraft being some 88 seats the regional airports, in KLM's apparent opinion, are no longer viable.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 02:16
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KLM offer plenty of flights from Eindhoven under the brand of Transavia - focussed very heavily on taking Dutch residents on holiday
Ryanair have a sizeable operation, again focussed on taking people to holiday destinations
TUI seem to do the same thing

Wizz run a lot of routes from Eindhoven to Eastern Europe.

Neither airport has a huge inbound tourism draw. Neither serves a major (and wealthy) city within short travel time.
I cannot see particularly strong corporate/trade links between south Yorkshire and Eindhoven
Unless there is a desperate need to rotate aircraft around bases for maintenance, I am stumped as to why they think Doncaster-Eindhoven will possibly work.

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 04:09
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
KLM offer plenty of flights from Eindhoven under the brand of Transavia
That is alike suggesting that BA offered plenty of flights from STN under the brand of GO, that TATA cars are coomonplace upon British streets, just that they're called Jaguars and/or Land Rovers etc.

I just happened to work for Transavia on a detachment for 6 months, at that time they were 95% owned by KLM, totally different companies, KLM were merely the shareholders that needed to be answered to whilst Transavia operated as a totally stand-alone operation, with the sole exception of their SPL/LGW/SPL route Transavia were solely holiday charters whilst KLM were solely scheduled services whilst Martinair were solely cargo whilst the handling agent(s) in the group were independent handling agents.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 05:39
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So endless fascination over "why Eindhoven?" (nice short, cheap sector between two "known" airports, keeps the a/c busy between long sectors), but no real discussion of the impact on all the major players north of BHX (airports and airlines) of a second unit being introduced within two weeks?

I bet having another Wizz tank parked on the lawn so quickly is grabbing some attention
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 05:54
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
So endless fascination over "why Eindhoven?" (nice short, cheap sector between two "known" airports, keeps the a/c busy between long sectors), but no real discussion of the impact on all the major players north of BHX (airports and airlines) of a second unit being introduced within two weeks?

I bet having another Wizz tank parked on the lawn so quickly is grabbing some attention
Somewhat bemusing that they are starting, not one but, all four Canaries routes in one roll of the dice, how many people actually care which island they holiday in so long as the price is right and they can fly from their local airport, now it shall likely be "Which Canary Island would you like to go to dear, Ip, Dip, Sky or Blue?" thus operating four aircraft partly loaded rather than one or two aircraft fully loaded.

Regarding the EIN route it has to be something to do with either swapping aircraft, loco's seem incapable of achieving that away from a main operating base by operating aircraft W patterns, or they have a few hours to spare so let's squeeze blood out of a stone than applying some down time maintenance for the aircraft.

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:12
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Regarding the EIN route it has to be something to do with either swapping aircraft,
It's a Wizz UK operation, not Wizz mainstream?

they have a few hours to spare so let's squeeze blood out of a stone than applying some down time maintenance for the aircraft.
think the modern phrase is 'making best use of expensive assetts' - it's how LCC's make money!
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:41
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
It's a Wizz UK operation, not Wizz mainstream?
And where is Wizz UK's maintenance base for B checks and above, at which UK airport?

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think the modern phrase is 'making best use of expensive assetts' - it's how LCC's make money!
All mechanical appliances need some TLC from time time, to neglect aircraft of maintenance is a false economy.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 12:46
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So many experts on here as usual. “DSA are useless don’t fly to any destinations” -Announces new destinations- “DSA and Wizz are rubbish, why are they flying there” YAWN

This is excellent news, Wizz won’t stop at two based aircraft.

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 13:26
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Grrr

No doubt nice start up subsidies from Eindhoven and Doncaster.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 13:39
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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening View Post
So many experts on here as usual. “DSA are useless don’t fly to any destinations” -Announces new destinations- “DSA and Wizz are rubbish, why are they flying there” YAWN

This is excellent news, Wizz won’t stop at two based aircraft.
I guess that you've never heard the true story of the time a certain airline based in Hungary employed a Captain and without so much as a simulator check scheduled him for flying duties, on his first outing soon after airborne he decided for himself that he was incapacitated and declared a MAYDAY, the First Officer took conrol landing back in BUD not just saving the day but saving all the passengers also.

And not a mention of the word "rubbish", there's some mighty fine First Officers out there!
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