Derry/Londonderry 2

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by 4567

Looks to me like loganair need to consider a ,Ive for their London operations to City like they have with Dundee.

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.

Is there a maximum number of weekly flights that LM must provide as part of there PSO obligations?

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Is there a maximum number of weekly flights that LM must provide as part of there PSO obligations?

I don't think so (However historically there was a restriction a few years ago). SEN was to go to 3 Daily FRI/SUN over the summer period however this has been dropped due to lack of demand. Maybe they would look at moving it to LCY on the ER3?

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

I don't think so (However historically there was a restriction a few years ago). SEN was to go to 3 Daily FRI/SUN over the summer period however this has been dropped due to lack of demand. Maybe they would look at moving it to LCY on the ER3?

LM’s ER3 (G-SAJR) started its life with the Irish carrier Jetmagic and was used to operated flights from ORK-LCY. Does anyone know if the aircraft could still be used to operate to LCY?. Luxair have also previously operated a ER3 to LCY.

LCY would almost certainly be more appealing for pax than flying to SEN.

[Fly757X]

I don't see why it couldn't be used (providing it's still certified). It would also provide a slightly higher capacity per day (111 Seats as opposed to 98.)

Would they be able to do such a big change during the current contract term?

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

I don't see why it couldn't be used (providing it's still certified). It would also provide a slightly higher capacity per day (111 Seats as opposed to 98.)

Would they be able to do such a big change during the current contract term?

Probably but they won't. The costs of flying into LCY would make it a complete non-starter especially given the price-sensitivity of the LDY market.

[Fly757X]

Here is the W20/21 Schedule so far... Not much change as expected, with slight time changes on EDI/LPL. SEN also is 14x Weekly for the entire season.

[EI-BUD]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

With the ER4 that isn’t an option and the PSO dictates an Jet of some description must be used (or it did when it was initially tendered in 2016/2017.)

I personally think a return to STN would be the best option for all parties at present, tried and tested. Worked for 20 odd years and LM certainly made it work after BM’s collapse. Plus it’s only 6 months since it was moved from STN.

I totally agree re STN.SEN is a great airport but it's more suited to a loco with very low lead in prices and then distress purchases closer to travel date at higher prices.
Aer Arann's GWY and WAT were well established into LTN and Stobart redirected them to SEN and it was a catastrophe. Granted time has passed and SEN has come on but STN gives a myriad of connecting services on DIY connections, has a much greater catchment and above all as mentioned, the route was very well developed.

[SWBKCB]

You might want to check the criteria for a route being eligible for taxpayers supports

[True Blue]

If a route needs taxpayers support, does it have the right to a jet aircraft as opposed to a prop, assuming the jet is more expensive to operate?

[cuthere]

The Gov tender for the PSO stipulated that the airline whose tender wins would *have* to operate a jet on the route.

[Fly757X]

As mentioned, here is the S20 schedule so far. I'd imagine Sunday's GLA could be changed due to the increasing reliance on the GLA ERJs now due to the BE collapse. LPL/EDI times also slightly altered on last year with LPL's Saturday change being the first change on that route in a few years. The Yellow denotes the seasonality of certain of the frequencies.

[scodaman]

Loganair Southend flight down to one per day from 30th March until further notice. Loganair Manchester and Glasgow unaffected as they where part time anyway.

Ryanair appear to have suspended Liverpool and Edinburgh totally for April. Bookable for May but who knows what will happen then.

Quiet month or two ahead at City of Derry airport.

[scodaman]

Loganair Derry LDY - Glasgow GLA scrapped until further notice due to Coronavirus.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for February 2020:

LDY movements:

309 (2020) = -19%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

16,296 (2020) = +18%

13,865 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6783 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 832 = -9%
- LIVERPOOL = 5368 = +2%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3206 = +71% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 107 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 85%
- GLASGOW = 61%
- LIVERPOOL = = 89%
- LONDON (SEN) = 63%
- MANCHESTER = 55%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 206,872


In other news, the LDY-LON PSO returns to STN this Friday due to the temporary closure of SEN. At present it is due to return to SEN on the 1st of June.

[buzz_hornet]

Originally Posted by Fly757X

CAA stats for February 2020:

LDY movements:

309 (2020) = -19%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

16,296 (2020) = +18%

13,865 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 6783 = +16%
- GLASGOW = 832 = -9%
- LIVERPOOL = 5368 = +2%
- LONDON (SEN) = 3206 = +71% (When compared to STN)
- MANCHESTER = 107 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 85%
- GLASGOW = 61%
- LIVERPOOL = = 89%
- LONDON (SEN) = 63%
- MANCHESTER = 55%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 206,872


In other news, the LDY-LON PSO returns to STN this Friday due to the temporary closure of SEN. At present it is due to return to SEN on the 1st of June.

Decent numbers. I wonder if splitting the Manchester rotation with say East Midlands would help on a every other day basis. Obviously further down the road

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by buzz_hornet

Decent numbers. I wonder if splitting the Manchester rotation with say East Midlands would help on a every other day basis. Obviously further down the road

MAN only operated for an Isolated weekend so personally I think it did alright this time around.

On the split MAN/EMA, That's an interesting one, however I would imagine if anything, BHX would be a possibility now due to their new found presence there. Will be interesting to see how the airport emerges after all this. Anyway's hope you're keeping well during this and best wishes!

[Fly757X]

Funding announced in the Interim: https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...B&ceid=GB%3Aen

The only thing now is, what happens when restrictions start to lift?

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for March 2020:

LDY movements:

320 (2020) = -33%

478 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

9,905 (2020) = -41%

16,719 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 3715 = -45%
- GLASGOW = 603 = -43%
- LIVERPOOL = 3449 = -41%
- LONDON (SEN) = 2138 = -31% (When compared to STN)

Load Factors:

- EDINBURGH = 58%
- GLASGOW = 47%
- LIVERPOOL = = 65%
- LONDON (SEN) = 42%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 200,058


CAA stats for April 2020:

LDY movements:

93 (2020) = -80%

378 (2019)

Passenger Numbers:

166 (2020) = -99%

15,887 (2019)

Passengers per route:

- EDINBURGH = 0 = -100%
- GLASGOW = 0 = -100%
- LIVERPOOL = 0 = -100%
- LONDON (SEN) = 47 = -99% (When compared to STN)
- LONDON (STN) = 118 = -97%

Load Factors:

- LONDON (SEN) = 7%
- LONDON (STN) = 8%

12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 191,151


Summary: ...

[Fly757X]

LDY's amended schedule for S20 (AUG-OCT)



Of course, this could very well change again. However I feel under the circumstances this is certainly a good outcome. Going back to my logs from a few years ago, 23 flights a week is around what was experienced in S17. As we all expect LF's will still be significantly down on that period, however all in all many of the regionals around the UK and Ireland will experience greater drops in services.

Hopefully the S21 schedules get released a little earlier this year and that could give us a good estimate of the recovery as we progress further into the year.