Derry/Londonderry 2

[True Blue]

I know someone who was on a flight recently on this route. There was 15 on it.

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by True Blue

I know someone who was on a flight recently on this route. There was 15 on it.

I'm just perplexed and those day's not being removed properly and instead showing as "Sold Out". I certainly think the route has performed below expectations so far with loads across weeks being very variable. The CAA stats for August will be interesting for this route in particular.

[cuthere]

August stats are in. MAN had a ~70% load factor in August.

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by cuthere

August stats are in. MAN had a ~70% load factor in August.

Indeed, I’ll have my usual round up later but here are the other LF’s

GLA = 75%
STN = 87%
EDI = 81%
LPL = 93%

[cuthere]

I say ~70% as I noticed a few Sunday rotations were on a S340.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for August 2019:

LDY movements:

603 (2019) = +14%

589 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

20,556 (2019) = +16%

17,665 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1700 = -78%
- LIVERPOOL = 4907 = +4%
- LONDON (STN) = 4839 = +3%
- EDINBURGH = 7037 = -8% When compared to GLA from AUG18.
- MANCHESTER = 2128 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 75%
- LIVERPOOL = 93%
- LONDON (STN) = 87%
- EDINBURGH = 81%
- MANCHESTER = 70%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 191,208


Brilliant looking month as far as loads go. Strange to see GLA/MAN being reduced as much as they have been, unless Yields haven't been as expected or there is another underlying operational reason for this.

[scodaman]

City of Derry Airport in news again as regards funding.

"City of Derry Airport needs almost £6m to keep it open"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...-west-50315680

[scodaman]

Anyone know what is happening with Manchester and Loganair?

Only bookable days LDY-MAN in Jan 2020 are the Friday 3rd Jan and Sunday 5th Jan. All other days showing a red X and 'Sold Out'. They may of course be sold out but its unlikely.

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by scodaman

Anyone know what is happening with Manchester and Loganair?

Only bookable days LDY-MAN in Jan 2020 are the Friday 3rd Jan and Sunday 5th Jan. All other days showing a red X and 'Sold Out'. They may of course be sold out but its unlikely.

Very odd, even in April it shows flights on random days only. Think that is a route being 'suspended'....

[cuthere]

September CAA stats are in. Passenger numbers increased 33% as compared to Sept 2018.

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for September 2019:

LDY movements:

731 (2019) = +30%

563 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

16,081 (2019) = +33%

12,136 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1353 = -69%
- LIVERPOOL = 3797 = -7%
- LONDON (STN) = 3964 = +3%
- EDINBURGH = 5792 = +34% When compared to GLA from SEP18.
- MANCHESTER = 1140 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 63%
- LIVERPOOL = 84%
- LONDON (STN) = 72%
- EDINBURGH = 73%
- MANCHESTER = 45%


Year Rolling:

Passengers: 195,153


Overall an interesting month. Hopefully we will see a modest increase again in October, hopefully still an outside chance of breaking the 200,000 mark for the first time in over two years by years end.

[scodaman]

Here we go again.

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...-west-50471852

[cuthere]

Not really a surprise. The brand is virtually unknown in the Manchester area, and even when Flybe did the route some years ago, they canned it after a few months despite healthy LFs. Simply put, FR have the northwest of Ireland to northwest of England market covered to LPL, despite their inconsistent timetables. The LFs on that route are always 80%+ in the winter, and over 90% in summer.

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by cuthere

Not really a surprise. The brand is virtually unknown in the Manchester area, and even when Flybe did the route some years ago, they canned it after a few months despite healthy LFs. Simply put, FR have the northwest of Ireland to northwest of England market covered to LPL, despite their inconsistent timetables. The LFs on that route are always 80%+ in the winter, and over 90% in summer.

It is a pity, hopefully once it’s resumes in May (if it does) exposure on this end of the route will be a bit healthier too as they’ll (Loganair) have been back here for a year and a half. However as say, it’s not really a surprise.

[OneBellEnd]

Left hand .. Right hand??

https://nitravelnews.com/news/new-ro...e-partnership/

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights

[Fly757X]

CAA stats for October 2019:

LDY movements:

611 (2019) = +9%

563 (2018)

Passenger Numbers:

18,201 (2019) = +42%

12,847 (2018)

Passengers per route:

- GLASGOW = 1397 = -62%
- LIVERPOOL = 5087 = +8%
- LONDON (STN) = 3429 = -10%
- LONDON (SEN) = 590 = (NEW)
- EDINBURGH = 6513 = +947%
- MANCHESTER = 1185 = (NEW)

Load Factors:

- GLASGOW = 66%
- LIVERPOOL = 90%
- LONDON (STN) = 74%
- LONDON (SEN) = 60%
- EDINBURGH = 78%
- MANCHESTER = 54%


12 Month Rolling:

Passengers: 200,507

Overall, another good month with the rolling passengers finally breaking 200,000 for the first time in a few years.

[Red Four]

According to Table 12.3,
STN: 3429
SEN: 590

[Fly757X]

Originally Posted by Red Four

According to Table 12.3,
STN: 3429
SEN: 590

Cheers, will get those sorted now.

[EI-BUD]

Originally Posted by OneBellEnd

Left hand .. Right hand??

https://nitravelnews.com/news/new-ro...e-partnership/

Loganair suspends Derry to Manchester flights

Hard to believe that at one point Loganair was the high frequency operator on BHD-MAN with BAe146 aircraft, as recently as the 90's ... and a routing on LDY MAN is not sustainable..

[cuthere]

Hard to believe an EMB145 operated MAN-LDY in the early 2000s as BA Regional.....