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Old 12th Jan 2018, 10:57
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I assume you meant to say it would have cost Flybe "big bucks". It certainly would have cost something but seeing as it was a Stobart Air ATR72 that was already sitting idle at SEN not a great deal.

I suppose Flybe could be a theoretical target for Stobart but I would suggest such a move would be 'courageous' in Sir Humphrey's parlance.
No, I meant Stobart! I'm interested in whether the Aer Lingus Regional franchise is managed as a separate business from the Flybe franchise, in which case the cost of the former providing an aircraft to the latter would have to be met. Or is Stobart Air simply one operation, with aircraft and crew available wherever needed subject only to logistical consideration.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 11:33
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If Stobart Air operate SEN-DUB themselves with their own E195s and a SEN-based Stobart Air ATR72 is substituted to operate in its place I cannot see why any cross charge would be made to anyone. I don't see where Aer Lingus Regional comes into the equation.

If Flybe still operate SEN-DUB using an E195 leased from Propius/Stobart Air, as was suggested in post #23, then maybe Flybe would carry the cost of the substituted ATR72. Perhaps someone can clarify if that is still the case. The route is stated as operated by Stobart Air in the booking process.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 12:18
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I think someone has been looking at Flightradar and jumped to conclusions. It often shows flights operated on one aircraft to be EIR rather than BE when that is clearly not the case.

The E195 was delayed. Not significantly so - maybe an hour - but a delay nonetheless. Certainly nothing that would necessitate anything being chartered in or money changing hands. Loads did not require an E195, the ATR was sufficient and an aircraft and crew were available. A simple swap. Nothing more to see.
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 14:37
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Do we know yet if it will be stobart air operating the Carlisle airport flights.....or will it have another airline on there behalf.
No - by the end of the month was the suggestion

Stobart Air, which operates the Aer Lingus Regional service, is to continue expanding its fleet as it eyes more franchise flying opportunities around Europe, said newly-appointed non-executive chairman Conor McCarthy.
Hmm - regional flying in Europe doesn't seem to be a gold mine
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Old 12th Jan 2018, 15:06
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All the more reason why Stobart might want to expand on a “franchise” rather than “at-risk” basis. My understanding of the EI franchise is that it is a mix of both, as is the BE work. I think all the SEN stuff is at Stobart’s own risk though.

cityJet seem to have done relatively well with wet-leases for AF, KL and SK.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 19:08
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https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...00-in-mid-1q18
Found this article online, however can only see its title and not the rest of the info. Does anyone know more?. Is the aircraft going to be replacing one of the ATR42’s already in service or could this be the aircraft that is going to used to operate from CAX?. Also are Stobart planning on adding anymore new aircraft to the fleet this year?.

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Old 25th Jan 2018, 20:46
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Will this be all-white, or in EI colours? Im glad to see RE are turning over the -42 fleet with -600s. I assume the plan is that it will be an all -600 operation, as aircraft become available?

EI-CBK has been in service with RE for 17 years. Given all the upheaval in the aviation industry, much less regional aviation, its a remarkable feat.

I've just seen that EI-GEV is brand new! Wasn't expecting a new ATR42!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 21:31
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It would be nice to have a brand new atr42-600 operating from CAX. We are still waiting for the press announcement to tell us who will be operating the flights and on what type of aircraft and indeed if it will be a new airline base with based flight deck and cabin crew there in CAX.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 21:43
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The new ATR42-600 is to replace the old girls on the PSO routes in Ireland.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 06:57
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...00-in-mid-1q18
Found this article online, however can only see its title and not the rest of the info. Does anyone know more?. Is the aircraft going to be replacing one of the ATR42’s already in service or could this be the aircraft that is going to used to operate from CAX?. Also are Stobart planning on adding anymore new aircraft to the fleet this year?.
I believe both 300s are being replaced with 600s now that PSOs have been confirmed until 2022. Not sure if any additional frames are arriving on top of that or what that means for CAX.

Would be nice to see some down at ORK to make journeys a tad quicker, to make thinner routes a tad more viable and to take advantage of the higher x-wind limit. Maybe then we can see some new routes such as ORK-SEN,BHD,BRU.....and dare I say it, DUB!
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 08:30
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Article Ch-aviation

23JAN2018
Stobart Air (RE, Dublin Int'l) has confirmed it will shortly add a maiden ATR42-600s to its fleet. In a statement to ch-aviation, a Stobart Air spokeswoman said msn 1213, formerly OY-YCC on the Danish register for Nordic Aviation Capital, would likely arrive at some point in February. The twinprop was recently ferried to Shannon for painting and pre-delivery maintenance ahead of its formal hand over to Stobart Air as EI-GEV.

The Irish capacity provider and white-label specialist currently operates an all-Avions de Transport Régional fleet of two ATR42-300s, two ATR72-500s, and thirteen ATR72-600s. One of the ATR42-300s will be replaced by an ATR72-600 at some point, the spokeswoman added.

Of Stobart Air's fleet, the two ATR72-500s are in service for flybe. (BE, Exeter) on a wet-lease basis while the remainder operate for Aer Lingus (EI, Dublin Int'l) under the Aer Lingus Regional brand as well as under a flybe. franchise contract.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:40
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So it's just another 2 weeks until we find out who will be operating what out of CAX.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 17:33
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For anyone who is interested,

2 X ATR42-600 Aircraft to arrive in the next few days

Stansted baggage ops to start 1st March

CAX runway to open 4th June.
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 21:58
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Stansted baggage ops to start 1st March
Does this mean they're starting 3rd party handling ?
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 22:30
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Stobart Aviation Services is a newly formed subsidiary offering airport ground handling services, which has indeed just secured its first external contract with EasyJet at Stansted airport, no doubt on Southside Bobby's recommendation.

There is apparently "a plan to increase the business organically or through acquisition to support a range of airports and airlines in the UK."
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 06:50
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Who would have believed that in the early days of the 21st century, that minds immeasurably superior to ours would be making their plans to invade the great centres of aviation in our fair island.

SS insisted, "The chances of Stobart taking over my airport are a million to one" he said.

But still they come.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 07:34
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DC3 Dave, I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Any chance of translating your cryptic musings into something which makes sense to the average reader, please?
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 07:36
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Think 'War of the Worlds'...but probably nothing to do with Stobart Air the airline.

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Old 6th Feb 2018, 07:52
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I believe the Martians in this analogy were vanquished ultimately by their own inadequacy surely..

Still happy days...onward & upward.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 08:46
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Originally Posted by Flightrider
DC3 Dave, I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Any chance of translating your cryptic musings into something which makes sense to the average reader, please?
I do apologise. I've been on the red weed again.

I'm just wondering whether Stobart are seeking a small slice from many aviation pies, or do they have the ambition to be a big player in one or more aviation fields in 5/10 years time.
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