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Old 27th Nov 2018, 08:07
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perhaps rebrand to British European Airways with two letter code BE?
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 08:10
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I would suggest something along the lines of what they did with British Airtours - the same British Airways colourscheme - but title the aircraft 'British European'. Caledonian they did a similar thing with, but revised the branding to include the lion.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 08:17
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Or IAG might just keep them as Flybe? If they buy them.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 08:34
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I like the idea another poster had of making better use of Flybe aircraft for a take-over of the Aer Lingus Regional operation. After all, this should 'ideally' be in-house rather than lining the pockets of a completely separate business (to the group).
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 09:39
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From a strategic perspective IAG could see value in Flybe as follows

Eliminate competition at LCY.
Bring EI-R and Cityflyer contract flying ‘in-house’
Reduce AMS flows and reorientate to Dublin
BMI slots default back to BA (Would Loganair give it a go?) Tactically, BA could ring fence Flybe Heathrow for domestics such as JER GCI LDY DND rather than EDI ABZ.
Well trained and respected future pilot base for BA and EI.



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Old 27th Nov 2018, 10:56
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Not sure whether this has already been mentioned but in addition to the new LHR-Newquay 4x daily from 31 March 2019 they are adding a fifth rotation on LHR-EDI. This means they will have 12 weekday departures at LHR from Spring 2019.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 16:38
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Couple of things here from my perspective;
  • Willie Walsh said at the time of the withdrawal from regional flying that regional flying was better suited to low cost carriers - why would this perspective have changed when the LOCOs are stronger than ever?
  • The non London routes do not fit in terms of a network carrier strategy and on the high volume routes these are again hotly contested
  • Good suggestion that the Flybe vehicle could adopt EIR routes, but these are not up for renewal until 2022/3. What happens in the mean time?
  • For slots sake, LCY and LHR. BA are now contracting Stobart to do some of their flying at LCY. They are unlikely to be pursuing this take over for the sake of an LCY operation the size of a 4 aircraft operation at the airport? Approx.
  • Competition concerns will be raised, BA will not get the domestic slots at LHR, that would open up opportunities for easyJet to access LHR. Easyjet and Ryanair would definitely raise competition concerns, for sure.
The only thing I can think as a driver here is a desire to put tabs on Virgin and their Skyteam connectivity. Moreover, what sort of relationship is emerging between Stobart and BA, could BA be fronting a buyout that could be carved up between BA and Stobart? This would tick many boxes for the two. Including linkage to IAG for Stobart for future opportunities ...

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Old 27th Nov 2018, 16:51
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No one appears to have mentioned Lufthansa as a potential acquirer. LH group has been quite acquisitive over the years in Central Europe but their UK presence is fairly modest in comparison with say AF/KL. It would also strengthen Star Alliance in the UK as it is clearly the weakest airline grouping here at present.

But then again, maybe they got their fingers burnt with BMI.
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Old 27th Nov 2018, 18:01
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Some fair points by EI-BUD though I would pick up on a couple.

While regional flying outside of London isn’t done by BA currently and is something WW got out of in the past, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t or shouldn’t do it now under the right conditions. For example, if routes or a base (I’m thinking the likes of SOU, EXT) are profitable and aren’t so likely to see LCC competition, why not keep them? There is precedent for this within IAG already, for example EIR have some relatively oddball routes out of ORK and SNN to the UK and France and Air Nostrum/IB Regional fly around regional Spanish cities and the Balearics.

You question a lead-in to 2022 for EIR routes but that isn’t too ridiculous. We’re almost in 2019 already with summer ‘19 on sale, pruning would likely occur in 2020 along with back-office integration, further transition in 2021 and you’re there already.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 02:01
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tigertanaka, surely the disease that is BREXIT will scupper any ideas that mainland European carriers have of investing into UK aviation?
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 08:17
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Depends what you call European. AF/KL is arguably Delta through the back door.

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Old 28th Nov 2018, 14:12
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It would also strengthen Star Alliance in the UK as it is clearly the weakest airline grouping here at present.
Not really a strategic worry, LH, OS, LX etc all feed their European hubs from the UK and even UNITED have more flights out of LHR than FRA. Each alliance doesn't need to have a based carrier in every market, that's the whole point of the alliance, to feed their hubs via spokes.
AF/KL is arguably Delta though the back door.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 17:52
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I know Oltonpete was having problems posting spreadsheet data in post #1175 dated 25th November.

I have taken the liberty of reproducing his file as a screenshot......



Hopefully I have done credit to your post, although I notice that you have the Newquay flight going to Newquay, and I'll PM you the full process.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 18:49
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Flybe

Originally Posted by Scottie Dog View Post
I know Oltonpete was having problems posting spreadsheet data in post #1175 dated 25th November.

I have taken the liberty of reproducing his file as a screenshot......



Hopefully I have done credit to your post, although I notice that you have the Newquay flight going to Newquay, and I'll PM you the full process.
Cheers Scottie Dog

That looks good and this part of the post was pretty accurate I believe for last Monday, I did slip up on the number of active aircraft - it is 69 with around 3-4 in maintenance but still around 8 and 12 spare although aircraft 11 is back at BHX next week on certain days.

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Old 29th Nov 2018, 21:11
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BE and MAEL part company

Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.

Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them .

Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice.

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Old 29th Nov 2018, 22:05
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Originally Posted by nigel osborne View Post
Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.

Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them .

Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice.

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Quite different to the reasons why that i have heard and they're nothing to do with Flybe "not keeping up with payments".

I'm sure Flybe will find a new contract soon enough and it may be a nudge to bring more maintenance where possible back in-house. If anything, this going to be a loss for MAEL due to short term restructuring.
Flybe themselves have even gone as far as saying; " Flybe are sympathetic to the many employees of MAEL who may be affected by the loss of work at MAEL and will be offering employment opportunities for engineers at Birmingham and Manchester, increasing the size of Flybe bases at those locations and benefitting from establishing our own comprehensive maintenance operations.”
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 04:24
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No Nigel that isn't the reason. The reason is MAEL's issue.
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 06:17
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset View Post
No Nigel that isn't the reason. The reason is MAEL's issue.

They have also I believe lost or will soon lose the Boeing contract at Gatwick. MAEL will soon be no more IMO, sadly.

The decision to move some engineering back in house is a good one and outsourcing main bases was never a good idea. Again IMO it is being driven by the main suitor. The figure I have been quoted that Flybe we’re paying MAEL while very high was not something they couldn’t afford. Heaven forbid Flybe we’re trying to find a way to get out of the MAEL as part of the sale transaction...
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 09:03
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Originally Posted by nigel osborne View Post
Been reported that Monarch Engineering will no longer provide maintenance for Fly Be.

Allegations that Fly Be fell behind with its payments and MAEL have excluded them .

Big loss of business for MAEL probably 2 or 3 planes a night go through the BHX facility.Still if BE are not keeping up payments MAEL have little choice.

Nigel
If the reason was late payment, then frankly I wouldn't blame MAEL for getting rid of the business. A sale isn't a sale until you've been paid for it!
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Old 30th Nov 2018, 10:18
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Just curious. How long after a route launch do the codeshares get added ?

have tried to book a connecting flight post April ex NQY and can’t get any connections offered apart from BHX and MAN when we’re after connecting at LHR to JFK

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