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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:23
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So is it Virgin Purple? Tiny Virgin ? Fly Virgin? Virgin BE? Flyrgin UK? I think they would only be interested in feeding into there own network. Would they be arsed with the trans UK routes???
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:29
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So is it Virgin Purple?
The mood lighting of the 2 is spookily similar!
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:30
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no they wouldn't and nobody else would either.

Not that would effect the Viet taff or scots nats types opinions who would more than likely demand the service provision even though they would only use it twice a year and pay the sub cost ticket price and botch that its to expensive.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis View Post
Virgin always do this. They "tried" for years to get bmi. Nice coverage for them, again.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:44
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Originally Posted by B Fraser View Post
Meanwhile over at a well run airline, the CEO states publicly that Brexit has not made any difference to his business. Profits are up 15.6%. I wonder what COW knows that he doesn't ?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...demise-rivals/
Perhaps a bit more behind this would add to the credibility......................... comparing real actual bookings per month from April to Sept this and next year at same time from UK would be better.

I have rarely booked anything beyond Feb-Mar at this time of year, many people will be the same. 2 weeks post Christmas may be a better indication as many book holidays or summer flights between Christmas and New Year.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post



I did predict that the goverment would come to flybe,s aid and was scoffed at by certain individuals.....

Crisis now over i reckon
Doubt it............... kicking a can down the road more like it. If was that easy to solve then would have already been done before.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 20:25
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government can't bail out any company legally...…………………. even if its a pretend government such as the Welsh or scot assembly.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 20:53
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
government can't bail out any company legally.... even if its a pretend government such as the Welsh or scot assembly.
Nothing much pretend about the Welsh and Scottish governments they are very real.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 20:54
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- Virgin Little Red operated Airbus on the domestic routes which were too big for what they needed. Flybe are already operating LHR-EDI & ABZ which could be strengthened for much needed connections that VS need through LHR, along with the recently announced NQY flights. Operated on a much more efficient aircraft to the demand that VS has.
- Secondly BE has a big presence at MAN as does VS, which could grow even further.
- It may also see a stronger return of BE in LGW feeding VS flights from there, and also flights from GLA which BE already codeshare on.
- Add into the mix DL's connections as well from various airports.

Throw into the mix a possible additional feed for KL/AF. BE already have strong links with AF codeshares through CDG and operate into AMS which would provide additional slots to feed KL. This could free up KL Cityhopper aircraft for new routes throughout Europe.

As a group project I see this as a positive for all carriers involved if they can get the route network and feed right.

What's left is the bases that provide little addition to the group of Airlines which could see cuts. BHX has it's own BE fortress if they wanted to keep that running.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:07
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Virgin UK would be a great brand, to complement Virgin Atlantic. He's done a job with Virgin Trains, and I can see it happening again here.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:15
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honestly why?

TUPE and all the baggage?
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:17
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Welsh and Scottish governments they are very real
in what respects? they are just glorified county councils.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:23
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Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post
in what respects? they are just glorified county councils.
county councils with funds that an Englishness council can but dream of.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:40
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Great news for flybe, being part of virgin is a fantastic result , its up and away
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:41
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
Virgin always do this. They "tried" for years to get bmi. Nice coverage for them, again.
It was Sir Michael Bishop that was reluctant to sell BMI to Sir Richard Branson as the Virgin Group were actively pursuing the the airline but according to whoever you wish to believe the two did not see eye to eye on many things and it was perceived that Bishop had a dislike of Branson hence the fact that after ''trying for years'' to get BMI Bishop finally sold out to Lufthansa who already had a controlling interest in the airline.

By all accounts Bishop could be a difficult person to work with and if it wasn't for his arrogance and reluctance to sell BMI to Virgin we may well have seen a respectable second force airline again something that the United Kingdom hasn't really had since the days of BCAL over thirty years ago.

Sir Michael Bishop not selling BMI to the Virgin Group was a lost opportunity for British aviation and a similar situation will never be available again.

The fact that Virgin Atlantic have shown an interest in Flybe has obviously surprised everyone and with the investment of Delta in the airline and the fact that they themselves have a very large order for the A221 series perhaps if any purchase was made we could possibly see the Flybe fleet modernised in the future with that aircraft.

Interesting times but we're all have to wait and see how this all works out, at least the news seems to have come directly from Virgin Atlantic rather than from Sir Richard Branson himself so there could well be some substance behind this announcement.

If the deal did go through I envisage huge cuts to the current Flybe network as well as a reduction in the fleet.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:42
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A few theories:

1. This is a genuine bid driven by Delta and Air France-KLM to maximise connectivity from UK airports to Virgin, Delta and Air France-KLM.
2. This has been leaked by Virgin to put its name out there.
3. This has been leaked by Flybe to try and get others like IAG to move forward.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 21:55
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Trying to put the stock value in play, it's on the deck.
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 22:59
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It may well have been tactically leaked to try to start a bidding war - after all, they have to do something to try to get the share price back up and in the absence of any clear plan of action from management beyond a firesale of assets, this may be it.

It's not totally mad though. AF would presumably welcome existing and expanded feeds to CDG. For KL, a bunch of 175s and AMS slots would fit very nicely. For VS, the feeds at LHR and MAN are worth a look. Questions are what then happens to the rest, and given that AF/KL are not having a good time in the UK market, would they (as incoming shareholders to VS) see this as a solution or just making a big problem even bigger?
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Old 22nd Nov 2018, 23:31
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My hypothesis remains they are trying to draw out Willie Walsh and his board to come to the party. BA or EI, doesn't matter, either way the problematic cost base of BE will require deep open heart surgery, it won't be a basic pruning exercise.
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Old 23rd Nov 2018, 00:43
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Originally Posted by RoyHudd View Post
Virgin UK would be a great brand, to complement Virgin Atlantic. He's done a job with Virgin Trains, and I can see it happening again here.
You mean like Virgin East Coast Main Line............................
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