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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:21
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One extra Jet2 aircraft to be based here, flights now on sale
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 21:11
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I doubt that any of these routes will operate in the summer of 2018.

BHX will face a huge challenge maintaining passenger numbers next summer.

The Monarch base was 9 aircraft.

Jet 2 have increased by 2 for summer 2018 leaving a deficit of 7.

Also with the loss of the loss of Norwegian, Vuelling, Cobalt, United, the Emirates reduction and wider circumstances concerning the state of the economy, the pound and the security situation 2018 is not shaping up well

2017 will be the zenith passenger number wise for the next few years.
Never mind the poor unfortunatate souls who are waking up to discuss how they may now pay the mortgage finding themselves suddenly unemplioyed, you just concern yourself with registration spotting!
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 22:33
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Harry

Where did registrations come into this post. Are you seeing something I am not.

How am I not concerned for the future of the employees. Sad as the Monarch failure is with the uncertainty it has caused for the employees and customers (of which I am one) it has happened. The aviation industry is no different from many others where people have lost jobs and in the current economic climate will continue to do so.

Airports are businesses and employ a lot of people. It will not be just Monarch people that are affected but everyone from workers in retail units, to check in to ground staff.

The airport is a business and needs to protect its revenues and future growth prospects. This will be a challenge.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 03:25
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I think you'll find that check-in are ground staff!

The post was regarding BHX maintaining passenger numbers, who, other than spotters and enthusiasts, gives a about passenger numbers, there was no concern shown whatsoever regarding the job security of staff etc
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 06:00
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Harry, not every post on the subject needs to have a job security of staff footnote. Common sense should tell you that many people will be reliant on pax numbers not least the poor staff from monarch who will need at least one of the BHX airlines to go into some sort of expansion mode if they wish to remain in the industry.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 07:09
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post
I think you'll find that check-in are ground staff!

The post was regarding BHX maintaining passenger numbers, who, other than spotters and enthusiasts, gives a about passenger numbers, there was no concern shown whatsoever regarding the job security of staff etc
Most stupid comment of the week. With a drop in pax numbers comes less income, less staff, less overtime, tenents leave, more jobs are lost. The original poster said nothing insensitive or unreasonable.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 08:08
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The staff directly, and some indirectly, employed by the failed airline are out of work, been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

Handling agents do not quote airlines and/or employ/pay their staff on specific passenger numbers, on load factors, they quote and employ/pay on aircraft types and/or seating capacities, whether an aircraft is 50% or 100% occupied the same staff are employed/paid, likewise air traffic controllers, firefighters, runway inspectors etc. are not employed/paid per passenger, it takes the same amount of these personnel regardless of any specific load factor.

So it is not about an airport bettering a number of passengers statistic better than the previous year(s), there might be fewer aircraft flying around the UK skies this week than there were last week but the UK population hasn't dropped in numbers to reflect that and soon things shall recover whether the replacement aircraft be flying from BHX, MAN, EMA or wherever.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 18:16
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At last there is now an airport press release about Jet2 expansion, which mentions further increases for s18. So it looks like 7 or possibly 8 aircraft will now be based next summer

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...reased-demand/
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 18:56
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You know Jet2 are a great set-up, finger on the pulse and in tune with the market place. In the face of such bad news its pleasing to see someone absolutely nailing it.

Their roll back to traditional package holidays has been a master stroke. The public are loving it, flights (inc cases), transfers, hotels with reps are proving the do-it-yourself of the last 10 years is wearing a little thin with holiday makers. They should charge a little more and offer free allocated seating and inflight meals and they are there.

Well done Jet2.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 19:32
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They should charge a little more and offer free allocated seating and inflight meals and they are there.
Or just introduce an Economy Plus type product like Thomas Cook are doing? Another good example of how to pull it off, especially when you think how close to the brink they were only 4 or 5 years ago.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 21:24
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Perhaps those employed by Swissport who looked after Monarch should now turn their attention to other carriers to ensure baggage is loaded and unloaded correctly, aircraft are met on arrival, passengers escorted to immigration, all the normal duties that ground staff do. Or are they planning a cull at the end of Oct?
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 09:53
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Rumour has it, jet2 will be self handling next summer. So even less "pressure" on swissport.

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Old 5th Oct 2017, 10:20
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I know STN has been confirmed as self handling next summer as they will have at least 10 based units - not sure if BHX will be but makes sense however it would need that required manic number of 7 based aircraft to make it work financially for the company.
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 22:09
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United/Jet2/Monarch/Qatar

Firstly I would like to pass on my best wishes to all Monarch crew in their quest to get back in the air and just say it was a pleasure flying a few times from BHX to Venice, Rome, Skiathos and more recently Preveza.

Good to see Jet2 react in a speedy and dignified fashion in adding several flights even if it is to their benefit. Seven aircraft scheduled at times from February although I realise this might be end up as six once the schedules are sorted. Malaga is the only route at present which hasn't had too much added.

United

Gone now as of today and a water cannon salute to boot, which I am told is not unique but celebrating an airline pulling out which could annoy some of those affected by the loss of the route even if it was only a few local staff.

Final seat maps today show 148 in on UA27 with 14 business, 35 economy + and 99 economy and 134 out with 16 business (full) 30 economy plus and 88 economy.

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Interesting post by MV on the Bristol thread and I am wondering how much the Cardiff service will affect the BHX route, which is hardly producing stellar numbers although September might have been different with Emirates reducing to two flights a day.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 06:10
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Interesting post by MV on the Bristol thread and I am wondering how much the Cardiff service will affect the BHX route, which is hardly producing stellar numbers although September might have been different with Emirates reducing to two flights a day.
Something I said in the Cardiff thread when the route was first announced.

If the figures in UA's business class are that good why did they give up on BHX?
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 17:15
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Eight Jet2 aircraft to be based and new routes added

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...ingham-airport
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 17:23
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Whats the impact to BHX with loss of Monarch - including who handled them?
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 17:33
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Swissport jobs to go with the loss of Monarch and now Jet2 contracts next March? But Jet2 could employ Swissport staff, so maybe not too bad
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 21:25
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New Routes Summer 18

Jet2 - Bodrum, Dubrovnik and Venice. Rome start date brought forward to February and increased to x4weekly.

Thomson - Izmir & Venice
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 23:29
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Thonson/Thomas Cook & United

Thomson seem to be going to 8 based next summer, 7 short-haul and 1 long-haul (Sunday & Monday the long-haul is elsewhere at times).

Monday Corfu changed to morning from a night flight and Arrecife returns in the afternoon which disappeared when Hurghada was added

Tuesday 2nd Palma in the morning and Tenerife in the afternoon

Wednesday. When Podgorica was added it required a reshuffle and I think Ibiza moved from pm to am (2nd PMI) and a second Rhodes afternoon added

Thursday Ibiza added am and Larnaca pm

Friday Venice (New Thomson/TUI route as it previously P & O) added am and a second Dalaman pm

Saturday - Girona moved to AM leaving Izmir ADB added in the afternoon and Las Palmas. One Verona and Salzburg still showing as Flybe.

Sunday - Second AM Malaga added and Zante PM

Thomas Cook

Now showing 5 away based aircraft with Antalya Sunday added - could be another one which converts in a based aircraft possibly?

crewmeal - United

Often told a lot of business was upgrades but whether that was true I have no idea. Premium Economy was the one area which always looked light compared to business which was full most days throughout the year
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