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Old 13th Jun 2018, 10:22
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
Or maybe Northern Englands Gateway would be more accurate.
That would be fair and equitable if LHR referred to itself as the Gateway to London and the South East.
In any case you miss my point - it's all about positive marketing and perception. Accuracy too - make a dart board out of a map of the UK and MAN is more or less a bulls-eye.

People in all the other countries that I work in don't see Manchester as a 'northern' this or that. When I show them where it is on my phone they always say 'oh right in the middle'. You would be surprised how many people think London is in the middle of the country - including people who live in London.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 12:43
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"You would be surprised how many people think London is in the middle of the country - including people who live in London".

Including the present Secretary of State for Transport perhaps??

I can see MAN might be pushed to refer to itself as a hub, so "International Gateway" does seem to fit the bill. What adjective should precede it is a moot point and "Central" does maybe have a slightly stronger sound to it. Of course, BHX might take a dim view of that.

On e-gates, I've been rejected the last 2 times and along with a dozen others was re-directed to the staffed desks. At least there was a MAN staff member allowing us to filter in the main queue rather than going to the back of it. Nevertheless, it would be frustrating if you'd had a wait for the e-gates first.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 13:32
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Originally Posted by MANFOD View Post
On e-gates, I've been rejected the last 2 times and along with a dozen others was re-directed to the staffed desks. At least there was a MAN staff member allowing us to filter in the main queue rather than going to the back of it. Nevertheless, it would be frustrating if you'd had a wait for the e-gates first.
My passport is always rejected at the e-gates. Despite me telling the staff at entry, they still make me go through the inevitable rigmarole - three swipes and you're out - wasting my time and the time of the people tutting behind me.
Once, when I mentioned that my passport never worked in the e-gates, a very helpful Border agent suggested that it could be something to do with the thicker 32 page passport that a lot of us frequent flyers use. Because the spine is thicker it doesn't fold back quite flat. Also the attempt to do so pulls the scan page slightly out of line. Try it if you have one. It seems quite a plausible explanation.
If this is the case then perhaps people with 32 page passports can go directly to the line instead of wasting our(and other people's) time?
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 14:16
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FFMAN/MANFOD,

Although my geography course was mainly physical stuff, the human geography module on 'mental maps' was fascinating.
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 15:21
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Looks like Eurowings have finally pulled Hamburg from July. Up against daily Ryanair and 2 daily EasyJet just couldnít be sustained
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:22
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Originally Posted by GLAEDI View Post
Heathrow Harry, what utter rubbish about the e-gates. Border staff are definitely not causing queues to increase numbers, (although 40% cut in staffing levels since 2015 hasnít helped workloads welcome to austerity) if Border Force staff wanted to cause queues theyíd work to H&S rules, take their required breaks but the staff donít as they want to process passengers as quick as possible to get on with the casework that everyday generates.

The reason that the experience passengers get from gates around the world depends on databases that they use. U.K. database is different from Europe, which is different to US which is different to Canada. The gates reject people with similar names so that officers can confirm the persons identity. In U.K. some names are more common ie John Smith and that can mean people with common names having to use the manned desks. The e-gates are just another tool to aid the quicker processing of passengers that arenít of interest to Border Force. 95% of the rejection at the gates is an automated response that the gates software has decided that forever reason that person or document requires a check by an Officer to confirm that they can be admitted to the U.K.
Please remember Border Force is Law Enforcement, they monitor Sex Offenders, Counter Terrorism, Immigration Crime, Customs Crime, Human Trafficking, Forged & Counterfiet Docs this is on top of the role at the Border to identify wether that person should be admitted under the Immigration Act 71 or wether they require leave to enter. If they require leave to enter are they entitled to leave to enter.
well someone was stuffing items into the readers at lhr a couple of years back to screw them up.......... one can only speculate who would do such a dastardly thing......
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Old 13th Jun 2018, 17:59
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Originally Posted by FFMAN View Post
My passport is always rejected at the e-gates. Despite me telling the staff at entry, they still make me go through the inevitable rigmarole - three swipes and you're out - wasting my time and the time of the people tutting behind me.
Once, when I mentioned that my passport never worked in the e-gates, a very helpful Border agent suggested that it could be something to do with the thicker 32 page passport that a lot of us frequent flyers use. Because the spine is thicker it doesn't fold back quite flat. Also the attempt to do so pulls the scan page slightly out of line. Try it if you have one. It seems quite a plausible explanation.
If this is the case then perhaps people with 32 page passports can go directly to the line instead of wasting our(and other people's) time?
I have a 32 page passport and travel fairly frequently, I haven't ever had a problem with the e-gates.
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 12:37
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Still talking? At least they're talking. Question from yesterdays #AskMANTP Q&A session:


Is US pre clearance still on the cards, as itís gone very quiet on that front.
1:12 PM - 14 Jun 2018

Conversations about US Pre-Clearance are very much ongoing both with the US authorities and the airlines who fly from Manchester to the states #AskMANTP
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 13:53
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On the Q & A I noticed this question was not answered:
What's the reason you build about 30 security bays for screening travellers then only man five causing misery for everyone flying out?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 22:14
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Maldives

How about tcx or tui doing Maldives as every flight I went on was non stop And packed full
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 09:09
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Just on the Egates.......
My newish Passport fails 100% at Manchester gates.
I have one of the most uncommon surnames in the UK. That and the fact my previous passport worked fine leads me to believe I'm not being pulled due to surname (also, when my other 4 family members sail straight through the machines, it's a strong hint). Without being funny, I'm unlikely to be terrorist profiled either!
My passport works multiple times per year at both DXB and AUH airport Egates amongst others.
The Egates at AUH are even the same machines at Manchester from what I can make out.
Every time I roll up at Manchester, tell the queueline jobsworth it won't work and he/she are wasting both my time and every one else behind me sending me to an EGate.
Every time, I end up at the manual desk.
Every time I ask the Immigration Officer, is the chip working - yes it's fine.
Either UK Passport Office are issuing shoddy passports (which they don't like replacing free of charge), or the machines at MAN are shoddily setup / maintained.
As the Passport works elsewhere, I believe it's the latter.
I now make my feelings loudly known every time mine and other peoples time is needlessly wasted...........
The rigid "Everyone must attempt to use the Egate" 'rule' is what frustrates me.

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Old 15th Jun 2018, 13:57
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Same here, no problem with e- gates anywhere else, Hong Kong and even Funchal for instance.Reject rate at MAN about 80%.
T1 security today queue back to beyond Etihad check in. UsingĒ Fastrack ďmanaged the process in just under 50 minutes- heavens knows how long the others took.
unsurprisingly most of the shops were empty & the lounges quiet as few people had time to use them. New services maybe a pleasure for spotters but for pax itís nothing short of an endurance test. Sigh.
anyway I wonít comment on this again,
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 21:36
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T1 Fast track is a joke. It took me over 30 minutes the other week. I have given up complaining now, nothing seems to happen.

At least I've been lucky inbound lately, often through the border in just a few minutes, but then my passport always seems to work in the e-gates.
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Old 15th Jun 2018, 22:18
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I have never had any problems at Manchester either way in all the years I have been travelling through it - I must be in the majority ?
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 02:06
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Originally Posted by mickyman View Post
I have never had any problems at Manchester either way in all the years I have been travelling through it - I must be in the majority ?
Haha, you and me both mickeyman !

In Sydney the Qantas airport staff say they always know when the BA flight has arrived at the gate because when the engines shut down they can still hear whining Mind you, the rigmarole to clear CIQ, security, or change terminals there some days make MAN look like an oasis of calm in comparison
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 09:17
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MAN TP

big update by the airport on their Facebook page. Lots of new images
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 12:51
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In Sydney the Qantas airport staff say they always know when the BA flight has arrived at the gate because when the engines shut down they can still hear whining Mind you, the rigmarole to clear CIQ, security, or change terminals there some days make MAN look like an oasis of calm in comparison
That's a laugh, Ozzies are great but they do like a whinge, and moan much more than the so-called "whinging pommie bastards".
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Old 16th Jun 2018, 13:19
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Norwegian 789 (LN-LNK) might be coming to MAN
Currently holding over MAN as BHX is closed due ironically a Norwegian 738 blocking the runway
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 09:58
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Originally Posted by mickyman View Post
I have never had any problems at Manchester either way in all the years I have been travelling through it - I must be in the majority ?
Same here. I travel through T1 or T3 weekly, and never have issues.
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Old 18th Jun 2018, 05:13
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/justine-greening-government-must-rethink-heathrow-airport-expansion-plans-1-9208924

Manchester front and centre so why is MAG so timid ?

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