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Old 26th Mar 2018, 22:53
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Originally Posted by Council Van
The whole road system needs trashing and starting again.
Itís interesting to note that their reasoning for implementing the drop-off charges is that the forecourts arenít designed to handle the levels of traffic, when theyíre having a brand new shiny forecourt built at T2. It seems hard to justify charging for that one, once open, when theyíve had chance to design it to handle the required capacity.


The main departure level T1 drop-off, in my experience works reasonably well, by and large. The T1 ground level doesnít really need to be open for anything but buses.


Thereís no denying, of course, that T3 is a shambolic mess, and itís this that causes the bulk of the problems on the internal airport road network.
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Old 26th Mar 2018, 22:55
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Nomoresteerage it is one of beech fleet .

All Remaining 747s are shared between Gatwick and Manchester none are left at Heathrow .

Oh and they still have more upper class than BA/AA and EI out directly of Manchester you know their offerings start with an Airbus or turbo prop !


Agreed - as I've just travelled the service as SLF. Booking 4 weeks out I could not get the date I wanted as it was sold out but was lucky I could swap the dates round with work with the current 19 seat config.


If that goes down to 14 then I expect it will be sold out even sooner, so BA/AA and EI will be the beneficiaries.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 13:13
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Genuine question: how many aircraft do Jet2, Easy Jet and Thomas Cook each have based at Manchester? I guess Council Van knows it to be Jet2 but what are the actual numbers? I know that with TCX they change on a seasonal basis as ACMI aircraft come and go and so definitive numbers will be hard to agree.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 13:24
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This summer Jet2 18 plus 2 spares, Easyjet 12 and TCX I think about 16 or 17 and TUI
about the same Ryanair 12 peak season plus a lot of visiting aircraft which could be about 12 a day
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 13:26
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easyJet are currently 3 x A319, 2 x A320 neo and 7 x A320 186 seat version
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 14:21
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Just come through the non existent traffic congestion outside terminal 3.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 18:20
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Not impressed by ground handling

Sitting in a plane waiting for a tug to get us away, but it hasn't turned up. Pathetic.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 18:39
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Originally Posted by Espada III
Sitting in a plane waiting for a tug to get us away, but it hasn't turned up. Pathetic.
That however is outside of the airport authority's responsibility, you need to be looking towards the handling agent to blame.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Council Van
Come back at the same time one day in July. See if you notice any difference.
Sorry I didnít notice MAG offering to waive their money making scheme outside busy periods!
I have often flown from terminal 3 throughout the year. About10-12x/year for the last 4 years. The congestion has been at security, passport control and baggage collection. Never at pick up or drop off!
A bit of honesty from MAG over this issue wouldnít go amiss. The current PR effort which seems to involve being Ďeconomical with the truthí shows a disdain for their customers which is somewhat offensive.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Caravaggio
Sorry I didnít notice MAG offering to waive their money making scheme outside busy periods!
I have often flown from terminal 3 throughout the year. About10-12x/year for the last 4 years. The congestion has been at security, passport control and baggage collection. Never at pick up or drop off!
A bit of honesty from MAG over this issue wouldnít go amiss. The current PR effort which seems to involve being Ďeconomical with the truthí shows a disdain for their customers which is somewhat offensive.
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You have either been very lucky or else not tried to travel on a first wave departure. Traffic last summer was chaotic at times and cars regularly queuing back to the T2 roundabout of a morning.

Iíve also been stuck waiting for my taxi pick up at T1 because the pick up car park was full.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 20:35
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Originally Posted by Caravaggio
Just come through the non existent traffic congestion outside terminal 3.
Should have driven through at 4.30 pm!!
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 20:53
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Originally Posted by doublesix
Should have driven through at 4.30 pm!!
If you have a look at all 3 terminals, you can see that when they were built with 2 drop off/pick up channels outside the terminal, however due to the incident in Glasgow, it now means you canít use the one closest to the terminal which puts more pressure on the remaining channel.

Itís due to this that traffic builds up, so Iím not blaming MAG, because itís outside factors that have meant this.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 21:06
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
This summer Jet2 18 plus 2 spares, Easyjet 12 and TCX I think about 16 or 17 and TUI
about the same Ryanair 12 peak season plus a lot of visiting aircraft which could be about 12 a day
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Jet2 are to be 21 aircraft based in total.

13xB738
7xB757
1XA332

Plus away based PMI and ALC aircraft operating 10 rotations a week plus a GLA aircraft operating
GLA-PMI-MAN-PMI-GLA on a sat n sun in July and Aug
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 21:56
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If you have a look at all 3 terminals, you can see that when they were built with 2 drop off/pick up channels outside the terminal, however due to the incident in Glasgow, it now means you can’t use the one closest to the terminal which puts more pressure on the remaining channel.

It’s due to this that traffic builds up, so I’m not blaming MAG, because it’s outside factors that have meant this.
If somebody driving a car with explosives into a terminal building is the issue, then simply erect bollards along the length of the building. The closure of the forecourts at UK airports is an over reaction to an event that happened many years ago.
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Old 27th Mar 2018, 22:16
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If somebody driving a car with explosives into a terminal building is the issue, then simply erect bollards along the length of the building. The closure of the forecourts at UK airports is an over reaction to an event that happened many years ago.
DfT require a minimum distance of 30m (I think) from drop off to Terminal frontage. Itís as much about minimise the impact of a blast, as preventing a car being driven into a building.

In any event, each of the three terminals and their supporting road network is now operating above design capacity and so some action to reduce vehicle numbers is inevitable.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 08:36
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Turkish Airlines using a B77W on today’s TK1993/1994 flight.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 08:59
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And American using an A333 on various PHL flights this week.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Caravaggio
Just come through the non existent traffic congestion outside terminal 3.
Congestion is a fact of everyday life in T3 - but it is self-inflicted by the airport management - IMO in order to justify this money grabbing scheme.

Over recent years they have slowly but surely closed off a number of drop off / pick up points for no apparent reason (although we now know why) to the point where the available space is minuscule. This forces people who are committing the outrageous acts of wanting to drop off or meet their friends or loved ones to continually go round the loop at 5 miles an hour, causing the rest of the road network to back up and affect the other terminals. If people turned up, dropped off / picked up and were gone in a single move, the congestion would be significantly less. No money to be had from that though....

In the case of T1 Level 5 drop off this has been abused for some time by taxi drivers who instruct their pax to meet them there on return - turning it into an informal pick-up zone. Again easily fixed: one of the marshals would simply move on anyone who enters the zone as a single occupant of a vehicle....but I guess there's no money to be made in that either.

The airport company should just be honest and say they're out to pick the pockets of their customers.....just like the airlines. The whole aviation business is a nest of vipers run by a nasty bunch of conniving charlatans.

My wife and I met with some friends at the weekend and discussed doing one of our frequent city breaks and inevitably this subject arose. The general consensus is one of 'straw that broke the camel's back' . The whole airport experience is so utterly miserable it is now to be avoided where ever possible. We decided to go to Bath instead of Seville. That's 6 of us both ways - 12 pax lost off the list for this year. We won't be the only ones.
Any business that treats its customers with such contempt.......
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:27
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Get the balance right

I wonder if it's time to review the risk of terrorist action which lead to the closing of the drop-off lane closest to T3 and also at other terminals and indeed other airports.

I am no expert in these matters but I would have thought that it would be possible to prevent a vehicle actually entering the building by placing some form of low barrier immediately in front of the window line, and thereby keeping all drop-off lanes open. That would leave the doorways as soft spots but considerably reduce the overall opportunity. We must be living with some level of risk at the moment, as a bomb-laden vehicle can be driven close to the frontage, where blast could still harm those within the building, and there will always be gatherings of people at the front of a terminal.

I may be shot down for saying this but taking a pragmatic view we live with risk daily, whether it be crossing a busy road or going shopping. You could still drive a car through the windows of most supermarkets, and there are hundreds of people inside.

Terrorist attacks are shocking but they are still comparatively rare. Whilst I wouldn't advocate removing all safety measures at airports I also don't believe that removing some of them would lead to a rise in attacks. There is something of a security industry and culture which has now grown up as politicians need to be seen to respond to the 'threat'. The security industry benefits from us all being scared of imminent attack and likes to promote this sense of threat.

One of the greatest 'threats' to our fine air transport industry is making it such a pain to fly that some people now don't bother.
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Old 28th Mar 2018, 09:31
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Will need to wait for the actual release of flights to see the full picture, but TUI will increase MAN-CUN to daily next summer.

If this is the only long haul increase then can only assume another flight is being dropped to accommodate the extra CUN, otherwise there may be more to come.
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