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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 10:19
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Refund...

I assume my airline pays to use the whole airport, I wonder if they asked for a refund?
One of the major based airlines sent MAG a bill for £5k a week will having to cane the engines from M due to cars on J. Don't know if the bills were ever paid though...
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:17
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Anybody remember Glasgow?



But having established a level of checking, how do you reduce it? The first incident would be perceived to be down to the reduction in checking levels.
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It might also not be good to compare yourself to an organisation that calls missing only 95% of test articles meant to be caught as a success. Keeping in mind that the security in 2001 would not have even tried to stop people with box-cutters as they were acceptable in the US at the time.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 11:22
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Originally Posted by TheFiddler
One of the major based airlines sent MAG a bill for £5k a week will having to cane the engines from M due to cars on J. Don't know if the bills were ever paid though...
Only way that MAG would have to pay-up is if the terms of the usage contract specified recovery of losses due to the use of Mike intersection departures, it would be based on what service level was promised vs delivered. Even then while airlines were requested and generally given Mike, the could request full length, so it might not stand. That doesn't mean the MAG did not give a refund. Incidentally, in court the airline would have to be able to demonstrate actual losses and not theoretical losses beyond just the fees payed.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 17:28
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Iraqi Airways appears to be going 2 weekly this summer with BGW-MAN-BGW on sat and ISU-MAN-ISU on Sun.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 20:14
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Public Transport

Pity the Airport closed down its dedicated public transport section a decade ago. They were making good progress in developing new and enhanced links at the time.
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Old 22nd Mar 2018, 22:05
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Originally Posted by Suzeman
Pity the Airport closed down its dedicated public transport section a decade ago. They were making good progress in developing new and enhanced links at the time.
Not quite what they had before but there is a chap now dedicated to Ground Transport (including roads, poor chap). A gentleman by the name of Rob Sawyer, a cycle commuter to boot.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 00:13
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Splendid roverman.

Sadly, for the airport's average bucket-and-spade, kids-in-tow, baseball-cap wearing punters, cycling is not an option, so, unfortunately, Rob will 'hit the ground running', completely out of touch with reality.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 08:21
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The Virgin 744 is now scheduled to do JFK daily from 15May (instead of 4x JFK and 3x ATL). So ATL becomes a daily A332 from the same date.

Anyone remember when MAN last had a daily 747 on the JFK run ? I certainly remember BA 747-100s on the JFK route (including a daily LGW-MAN-JFK after the BCAL takeover), but can't recall if there was ever a daily turnaround flight.

Somewhat makes up for the loss of the AA210/211 capacity anyway
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 09:55
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Gouge the customer

We all know that Manchester Airport planning that customers must pay to be dropped off and picked up at airports is just another way to extract cash and has nothing to do with congestion.

Congestion that was caused by reformatting the road system. Not that this frequent traveler has seen any congestion.

They have form on this of course. Security queue too busy. Pay for fast pass. Good way of funding the staff to man those unmanned security channels.
Day one of the new drop off regime might be interesting if cars deliberately stopped outside the charging zone and blocked all access to the airport with queues backing up to the M56.

What is Manchesterís solution? Increase door to door travel time by another 30 minutes. Reminds me of the pirate t-shirt slogan Ďthe beatings will continue until morale improvesí
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:23
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Charging for drop-off seems to have enraged quite a few posters. On one had there is a demand for better roads, better terminal facilities all of which should have been delivered already, yet a total unwillingness for the airport to raise revenue. These same posters don't want drop-off fees, don't want walk-through duty-free, don't want the fast-track options to be offered. Presumably they also want the £19.99 fares too. I get that having your cake and eating it is ideal, but someone has to pay for that Billion pound cake.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:30
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey
Charging for drop-off seems to have enraged quite a few posters. On one had there is a demand for better roads, better terminal facilities all of which should have been delivered already, yet a total unwillingness for the airport to raise revenue. These same posters don't want drop-off fees, don't want walk-through duty-free, don't want the fast-track options to be offered. Presumably they also want the £19.99 fares too. I get that having your cake and eating it is ideal, but someone has to pay for that Billion pound cake.
Well said.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:34
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Brian, virtually every airport in the world is able to manage its drop off area (free) apart from British ones. Likewise luggage carts. Fast track option is a creation by deliberate queue management policies.
The number of people paying £19.99 for a flight is minuscule -flying is expensive. The UK has the highest APD in Europe. A one way flight to Southampton from MAN with Flybe has £26 tax added before you even start on the fare.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 10:42
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Brian,

It’s the ‘disguise’ of the fee that is ‘enraging’ people.

They say it’s to reduce congestion. The simple fact is, people will likely just pay the fee and still drop off outside the door. People prefer convenience. This means the congestion issue is unlikely to be sorted.

The simple fact is, that MAN is now charging to make what should be an already provided Airport experience barely palatable.

Let’s take a couple travelling through the airport.

They pay £3 to drop off outside the door. Let’s say they need a trolley, that’s another £1.they then check in and see the security queue snaking around the terminal (which it seems to do more often than not now, 45mins wait again today. That’s another £7.50 for fast track.

On the return, the border queue is ridiculous again, that’s another £7.50 to avoid the queue, then another trolley, that’s another £1. Lastly, time to be picked up, that will be another £4.30 please.

So, all of those charges at nearly £25 just to make the Airport experience bearable. When plenty of other airports manage to provide said services for free, including ones with large low cost presence.

‘You want to complain about the queues, well, good for you, we’re still not going to fix the actual root of the problem, we will just encourage you to pay to avoid the problem’

World class aspirations? Barely breaking from its regional shackles with these types of charges and service. Shame really.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 13:05
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What does that leave the VS schedule looking like at peak times then now? 3x 744 (2x MCO 1xJFK) and 2x A332 (1x ATL 1x BOS/SFO)?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 13:12
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Some very valid points from LAX and A Tis.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 13:33
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And equally valid comments from Brian Dromey earlier.

So either the airport are incompetent money-grabbers screwing as much as out of the poor PAX to pay for more pina colodas by the pool, or they are doing the best they can to provide some sort of service while the robber baron airline bosses compete in a race to the bottom and the Govt stands idly by counting their pile of gold, which they've done nothing to earn.

You pays yer money and takes yer choice (pun intended )

Does anybody really know the answer?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 13:39
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Originally Posted by azz767
What does that leave the VS schedule looking like at peak times then now? 3x 744 (2x MCO 1xJFK) and 2x A332 (1x ATL 1x BOS/SFO)?
What about BGI & LAS? Are they now A330?
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 16:12
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LAS is on the B744 in between the 2nd MCO flights, BGI is A330 on the same frame as the SFO/BOS aircraft.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 22:08
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I will not be paying to be dropped off for a flight at Man.
It's off to EMA for short trips and a train to LHR for longhaul.
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Old 23rd Mar 2018, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Baltic Skies
I will not be paying to be dropped off for a flight at Man.
It's off to EMA for short trips and a train to LHR for longhaul.
What an absolutely ridiculous statement it's beyond me how stupid that sounds!
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