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Old 11th Jul 2019, 23:25
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Originally Posted by Ex Cargo Clown View Post
I believe the PEK yields are not brilliant but sustainable.

CAN I think would be commercial suicide unless heavily subsidised. No real market, too close to HKG plus it would make CX rather unhappy.

As for the last question (may have been answered not seen the rest of the thread). Pretty sure CA operate a codeshare with VS on LHR-PEK.
I suppose "too close to HKG" is a matter of perspective.

It's easier to land in Newcastle when your destination is London, than it is to land in Hong Kong when your destination is Guangzhou.

Agreed with the comment that China Southern would work better but unclear the domestic politics of that.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Turbine70 View Post
It's easier to land in Newcastle when your destination is London, than it is to land in Hong Kong when your destination is Guangzhou.
A quick Google search reveals that there are high speed trains from Hong Kong to Guangzhou that take less than an hour meanwhile the fastest trains from Newcastle to London are around 3 hours. How did you come to that conclusion?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 12:51
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Originally Posted by LandingConfig View Post
A quick Google search reveals that there are high speed trains from Hong Kong to Guangzhou that take less than an hour meanwhile the fastest trains from Newcastle to London are around 3 hours. How did you come to that conclusion?
There's a fairly long border control process (the queue stretched for about half a km when I was in Hong Kong) that you'd want to leave plenty of time for. However, you can get a ferry to the mainland from Hong Kong airport without entering Hong Kong via the SkyPier.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 22:03
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Originally Posted by GSM763 View Post
There's a fairly long border control process (the queue stretched for about half a km when I was in Hong Kong) that you'd want to leave plenty of time for. However, you can get a ferry to the mainland from Hong Kong airport without entering Hong Kong via the SkyPier.
Indeed and to state the obvious, to use the high speed train route you have to clear Hong Kong immigration twice.

There's also a transfer from HKIA to Kowloon allowing time for the connection.

I've done it on the old train in about 5 hours so I guess you could do it on the new one in about 4.

Not dissimilar to landing in Newcastle to get to London.

Of course the airfare to HKG would probably be rather higher, so you would likely be paying a pretty penny to insert a fairly complex additional transit.

Not great for people who would want to save money, people with small children, people with lots of luggage, people in a hurry or those wanting to maximise predictability.

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Old 13th Jul 2019, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Turbine70 View Post
Indeed and to state the obvious, to use the high speed train route you have to clear Hong Kong immigration twice.

There's also a transfer from HKIA to Kowloon allowing time for the connection.

I've done it on the old train in about 5 hours so I guess you could do it on the new one in about 4.

Not dissimilar to landing in Newcastle to get to London.

Of course the airfare to HKG would probably be rather higher, so you would likely be paying a pretty penny to insert a fairly complex additional transit.

Not great for people who would want to save money, people with small children, people with lots of luggage, people in a hurry or those wanting to maximise predictability.
To add to this, you're not going to suddenly get off the high speed train in Guangzhou and walk straight into your house. Other trains & buses will be needed to complete the journey. Guangzhou City & it's suburbs are very vast. Take for instance a commute from one part of Beijing to the other can take up to two hours depending upon the time of day. Another 1 to 2 hours commute maybe needed to reach your final destination after arriving in central Guangzhou.

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Old 13th Jul 2019, 19:24
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Manchester City pre-season tour flight cancelled due to being refused airspace. Apparently a Thomas Cook admin error. A costly one at that. Does anyone know how that could happen?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elled-16581159
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Old 13th Jul 2019, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian View Post
Manchester City pre-season tour flight cancelled due to being refused airspace. Apparently a Thomas Cook admin error. A costly one at that. Does anyone know how that could happen?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elled-16581159
Managerless Newcastle United departed no problem on the CX flt though!
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by spannersatcx View Post
Managerless Newcastle United departed no problem on the CX flt though!
Man City flight cancelled again to Shanghai. Someone somewhere at Thomas Cook must be getting a roasting. Man City will be absolutely furious. Pre season tours are big business. With the launch of their new sponsor Puma and their new kits this is deeply embarrassing.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...elled-16583958

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Old 14th Jul 2019, 22:41
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Where does TCX actually get involved as the aircraft is Nexus Airlines of South Africa, did TCX do all the planning or did Nexus?
as there is no mention of TCX anywhere
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 23:03
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
Where does TCX actually get involved as the aircraft is Nexus Airlines of South Africa, did TCX do all the planning or did Nexus?
as there is no mention of TCX anywhere
There's many news sources reporting a Thomas Cook clerical error failed to book a slot with air traffic controllers. Thomas Cook must be chartering the aircraft from Nexus because Thomas Cook is Man City's travel agent. Maybe next time they will use Etihad. They're their main sponsor after all. It's absolute balls up. I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Cook will have to shell out some compensation for this.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 01:09
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With Thomas Cook Sport being the travel agent/charter broker for Man City, the responsibility for planning the flight with all the various permissions and overflight clearances will usually rest with the operator, which is Aeronexus.

I suspect the error may actually rest with Aeronexus.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 07:08
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Originally Posted by Mister Geezer View Post
With Thomas Cook Sport being the travel agent/charter broker for Man City, the responsibility for planning the flight with all the various permissions and overflight clearances will usually rest with the operator, which is Aeronexus.

I suspect the error may actually rest with Aeronexus.
Well the Aero Nexus 767 ZS-NEX only made it as far as Abu Dhabi yesterday. The team then picked up an Etihad jet to fly to Shanghai or Nanjing. The Nexus jet obviously failed to get clearance to fly through Chinese airspace. Man City are due to play in Nanjing on Wednesday evening.

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/etiha...light-1.886695

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Old 16th Jul 2019, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian View Post
Well the Aero Nexus 767 ZS-NEX only made it as far as Abu Dhabi yesterday. The team then picked up an Etihad jet to fly to Shanghai or Nanjing. The Nexus jet obviously failed to get clearance to fly through Chinese airspace. Man City are due to play in Nanjing on Wednesday evening.

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/etiha...light-1.886695
Etihad Dreamliner A6-BLH arrived at Shanghai Pudong around 6am UK time this morning on a charter flight number (EY8051). Probably not a coincidence.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 07:01
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Anyone know where one of the TUI maxes has moved to? Sure I could only see 4

Thanks
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 07:05
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Originally Posted by mufc4evr View Post
Anyone know where one of the TUI maxes has moved to? Sure I could only see 4

Thanks
Apparently moved to a hangar.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 15:33
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Apparently moved to a hangar.
Back with the rest now.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:21
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Update #99 courtesy of the MANTP Team

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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:21
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 21:35
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Originally Posted by EZYMAN View Post
Slot information for W19

Alitalia Daily LIN
SpiceJet BOM
Lauda Motion RIX
Anisec (Level) SZG
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-Report.pdf
I understand the slots for AZ and Anisec have now been cancelled.
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