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EasyJet wouldn't be interested in domestics from SOU, maybe in the long term if they did operate a small base from the airport but W patterns is the most logical step forward as you suggest.
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Interesting thoughts here folks. I’m certain that SOU would welcome some operator diversity, and would concur that SOU might be a slightly better EZY fit than BOH.
Also agree with Severn’s thoughts regarding initial EZY options, which are essentially links to existing U.K. domestic bases beyond a small smattering of ski services.
Looking at the 11 EZY U.K. Base operations the 5 in the south of England are geographically illogical for ops from SOU whilst airport management might be a little reticent to encourage direct head-to-heads with their main customer BE on MAN, NCL, EDI or GLA - which leaves, IMO, LPL and BFS as the two proving grounds for further market potential for EZY from SOU.
Also agree with Severn’s thoughts regarding initial EZY options, which are essentially links to existing U.K. domestic bases beyond a small smattering of ski services.
Looking at the 11 EZY U.K. Base operations the 5 in the south of England are geographically illogical for ops from SOU whilst airport management might be a little reticent to encourage direct head-to-heads with their main customer BE on MAN, NCL, EDI or GLA - which leaves, IMO, LPL and BFS as the two proving grounds for further market potential for EZY from SOU.
EasyJet don't fly domestics from NCL so you can discount that.
EasyJet would or 'could even' target the Sun routes and city break destinations.
EasyJet don't fly domestics from NCL so you can discount that.
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Exactly!
I don’t know how many Annual passengers easyJet handle from Newcastle, but I’d hazard a guess that the BFS and BRS routes represent a fairly sizeable proportion of them - due to their frequency. Short sectors are key to offering a balanced, optimised programme.
I don’t know how many Annual passengers easyJet handle from Newcastle, but I’d hazard a guess that the BFS and BRS routes represent a fairly sizeable proportion of them - due to their frequency. Short sectors are key to offering a balanced, optimised programme.
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Just remember Easy have ops that aren't w patterns or direct from base
A couple of years ago one shift was: LTN-JER-GLA-LTN-ABZ-LTN.
So a domestic to SOU could be served by aircraft from other bases to that destination doing that sort of merry-go-round.
A couple of years ago one shift was: LTN-JER-GLA-LTN-ABZ-LTN.
So a domestic to SOU could be served by aircraft from other bases to that destination doing that sort of merry-go-round.
what did the LTN-GLA-JER-LTN bit? a/c no.2? (the other W)
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Former Tui executive Paul Cooper has joined low cost Atol flight operator start-up Flylolo.
He has been recruited help drive the company’s business development working with CEO Paul Dendle, ex-boss of flight-only company Avro.
Cooper worked at Tui for 16 years as head of commercial – airports before setting up consultancy Can Do Aviation in 2016.
He said: “Flylolo is operating flights to the Canary Islands from Gatwick, Manchester and Glasgow covering peak holiday dates this winter.
“However, it is the development of the summer programme from Southampton airport which I am also excited about.
“Southampton airport with its excellent rail and road links offers a real alternative to Gatwick, which is operating close to full capacity.
“For summer 2019 Flylolo is operating 14 routes from Southampton to a range of Mediterranean destinations, which represents significant growth over the single Skiathos flight operating this summer.”
Dendle said: “I’m delighted that we now have Paul Cooper working with us bringing his valuable experience and knowledge to the team as we grow and develop our business.
“We are keen to maximise sales distribution for Flylolo which Paul Cooper will also be working on.”
He has been recruited help drive the company’s business development working with CEO Paul Dendle, ex-boss of flight-only company Avro.
Cooper worked at Tui for 16 years as head of commercial – airports before setting up consultancy Can Do Aviation in 2016.
He said: “Flylolo is operating flights to the Canary Islands from Gatwick, Manchester and Glasgow covering peak holiday dates this winter.
“However, it is the development of the summer programme from Southampton airport which I am also excited about.
“Southampton airport with its excellent rail and road links offers a real alternative to Gatwick, which is operating close to full capacity.
“For summer 2019 Flylolo is operating 14 routes from Southampton to a range of Mediterranean destinations, which represents significant growth over the single Skiathos flight operating this summer.”
Dendle said: “I’m delighted that we now have Paul Cooper working with us bringing his valuable experience and knowledge to the team as we grow and develop our business.
“We are keen to maximise sales distribution for Flylolo which Paul Cooper will also be working on.”
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No chance, agreements being finalised on a F70 from an EU airline (TUS Air?) 80 seat configuration with no payload restrictions. Seems about right for this fledgling flight program although remains to be seen if all 14 routes will take off, I do however wish them well as this will bring much needed footfall through the airport!
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A A321 would be a non starter due to severe payload restrictions,however wouldn't a F100 provide added capacity ,allowing costs to be kept down?.Surely a F70 isn't going to give competitive pricing for the proposed routes ?.
max range of a HGW (enhanced MTOW) F70 with max payload (80 seats) is around 1600nm incl's reserves and alternative fuel
JSI is 1450nm
if SOU runway and performance charts do not restrict MTOW then seems doable
as for pricing only Lolo can decide that
JSI is 1450nm
if SOU runway and performance charts do not restrict MTOW then seems doable
as for pricing only Lolo can decide that
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Would imagine its the first time the F70 has been available for charter ops. Of the airframes that are left, most were tied up with KLM or far away airlines in Africa/South America. KLM have de-fleeted this type recently and sold 4 to TUS in Larnaca!
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Too old, thirsty, poor economics, had their day, unattractive to tour operators.... where does it end?
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Such attitudes do make posting of here less appealing it must be said vectisman. Criticism and cynicism are obviously to be expected, especially about any 'new' or unusual proposals, given how hard it is to be successful in this industry. But it is a shame to see people instantly write things off on here before the full facts and information about it have been made clear.
Planespeaking's comments are to a considerable extent true. However I would think some of the reasons against using a F70 for charter ops also have a benefit as well. They are rather old, although far older aircraft are being used by small and large operators at the moment (Jet2's 733's would be one example). But I would expect this leads to the lease/ownership costs of them to be low, and from what I understand the Fokkers have always fared quite well from a reliability and maintenance side, probably rather better than your average E-Jet if Flybe's are anything to go by (based on personal experiences). The fairly high fuel consumption is very much a negative point especially considering the length of some of the routes.
I would think they are/were unattractive to tour operators due to their size, and the fact that most tour operators aren't looking at a niche market in the same sense as Flylolo (<4hrs block time destinations from an airport with a 1700m runway in a reasonably affluent area with no *direct* competition).
stewyb's comments about the lack of availability and general lack of of F70's in existence (I think Fokker built 47 before they went bust) are also relevant to this. In that regard, I struggle to think of any other aircraft which could fit the role. An F100 or RJ-85 doesn't have the range required, an E170 or 190 could work(?), but I expect the lease/ownership costs of both are a lot higher, especially for the latter owing to their popularity and fact that they are newer designs still in wide use with many major carriers.
Then it's the question of if there are any carriers who have these aircraft available to lease in the peak summer season, to which the answer is presumably very few!
With regard to the operation I hope we see it go ahead, but I do agree some of the destinations seem a little questionable (Pristina seems like a niche market even from London, Murcia's new airport opening at the end of this year is apparently not very well located and serving Tivat as well a Dubrovnik from the get go seems somewhat ambitious to me. It is also good to see the operation has the back of a former TUI boss, hopefully a sign of some credibility.
Planespeaking's comments are to a considerable extent true. However I would think some of the reasons against using a F70 for charter ops also have a benefit as well. They are rather old, although far older aircraft are being used by small and large operators at the moment (Jet2's 733's would be one example). But I would expect this leads to the lease/ownership costs of them to be low, and from what I understand the Fokkers have always fared quite well from a reliability and maintenance side, probably rather better than your average E-Jet if Flybe's are anything to go by (based on personal experiences). The fairly high fuel consumption is very much a negative point especially considering the length of some of the routes.
I would think they are/were unattractive to tour operators due to their size, and the fact that most tour operators aren't looking at a niche market in the same sense as Flylolo (<4hrs block time destinations from an airport with a 1700m runway in a reasonably affluent area with no *direct* competition).
stewyb's comments about the lack of availability and general lack of of F70's in existence (I think Fokker built 47 before they went bust) are also relevant to this. In that regard, I struggle to think of any other aircraft which could fit the role. An F100 or RJ-85 doesn't have the range required, an E170 or 190 could work(?), but I expect the lease/ownership costs of both are a lot higher, especially for the latter owing to their popularity and fact that they are newer designs still in wide use with many major carriers.
Then it's the question of if there are any carriers who have these aircraft available to lease in the peak summer season, to which the answer is presumably very few!
With regard to the operation I hope we see it go ahead, but I do agree some of the destinations seem a little questionable (Pristina seems like a niche market even from London, Murcia's new airport opening at the end of this year is apparently not very well located and serving Tivat as well a Dubrovnik from the get go seems somewhat ambitious to me. It is also good to see the operation has the back of a former TUI boss, hopefully a sign of some credibility.
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apart from that similar sized a/c are rare on IT charters
BMI use 49 seat EMB jets on a few IT's to Italy and Sardinia Corsica
Volotea still use the 100/110 seat 717(MD95) on their routes and charters but larger A319's are taking over
BA (C-F) use 95 seat EMB RJ's on a big charter series out of many UK and Scottish airports to Italy and Spain for Barrhead Travel and also op the schedules from LCY to Greek Islands JMK and JTR
this operation for Lolo IF a F70 is being sourced is a rather standalone gig rather similar to the old Palmair ''one aircraft'' scenario
what's gonna be the backup when it all goes Pete Tong in the summer on a Saturday morning - who or what could cover the back up...?
notable that the bosses are ex Avro and a new guy from TUI - therefore they should know their markets and operations
Avro was massive as you know but had a reputation for cancellations and rescheduling passengers
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sorry to appear sceptical or have pertinent questions but that's all good to throw in the mixing pot on a discussion forum and relevant especially if parting with one's dosh to buy a ticket
do you have any observations yourself?