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Old 29th Jun 2019, 20:25
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
and it looks like little will change
I’d argue that with the masterplan, runway starter strip planning application and purchase of land for tree safeguarding there’s more potential for things to change at SOU now than there has been for a number of years.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 10:00
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I’d argue that with the masterplan, runway starter strip planning application and purchase of land for tree safeguarding there’s more potential for things to change at SOU now than there has been for a number of years.
That's of course if the planning actually gets approval from EBC, so the masterplan can even be implemented, time will tell I guess.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 15:57
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Is anything going to happen at SOU?,it's July ,no planning permission submitted,pax figures stagnant,no new routes,airlines decreasing.
can the airport continue as it is ?Things dont look brilliant!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by RW20 View Post
Is anything going to happen at SOU?,it's July ,no planning permission submitted,pax figures stagnant,no new routes,airlines decreasing.
can the airport continue as it is ?Things dont look brilliant!
There seems to be a stunning silence from the airport operator and the local authority. Nothing has been stated that will install confidence to prospective new airlines or even the one major remaining airline. That too may change after today's announcement of the take over of Flybe by Connect.

I hope I'm wrong but perhaps the potential for runway extension within the confines of the airpôrt boundary does not make it commercially viable for operators such as EZY and Ryanair.


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Old 6th Jul 2019, 08:52
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May 2019 performance

Doesn't make good reading - what on earth is going on with some of these numbers? I've tried to put notes where I can think of a reason for the fall.

May 2019 passenger stats: 159,249 -13% compared to May 2018. Rolling total 1,921,779 -7.1%

Positives

Guernsey 12,351 +8% (New Aurigny flights)
Edinburgh 16,137 +6%​​​​​​
Mahon 76 +4%
Newcastle 10,296 no change
Dusseldorf 2,635 no change

Negatives

Avignon 85 -1%
Alderney 2,165 -1%
Malaga 3,582 -4%
Bergerac 3,799 -5%
Alicante 3,789 -6%
Jersey 14,578 -7%
Paris CDG 6,153 -7%
Ibiza 334 -9%
Glasgow 14,885 -12%
Faro 2,396 -13%
Palma 2,066 -14%
Nantes 1,564 -15%
Toulon 76 -17%
Perpignan 70 -19%
Verona 762 -20%
Dublin 11,236 -21% (Ryanair return on BOH-DUB?)
Manchester 17,498 -21% ​​​​​​
La Rochelle 1,273 -22%
Rennes 1,249 -27%
Amsterdam 13,725 -32% (KLM withdrawal?)
Leeds Bradford 2,444 -33%
Limoges 966 -37%
Cork 1,370 -41% (Aer Lingus Regional withdrawal?)
Biarritz 64 -49%
Bastia 66 -54%
Bordeaux 304 -80%

No data/not known

ABZ 0
BHD 0
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:16
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There are clearly some bed wetters on this thread that want to see SOU fail. We have been given no information to suggest that the expansion plans are not moving ahead and in fact I received a response from the MD back in early May to confirm that plans were to be submitted later this summer. I was also told from someone who has their ear to the ground at the airport that works were due to start around October 2019. How accurate this is I cannot say but I do know that there is a total commitment to have the expansion plans carried out and for the airport to have a much brighter future!
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 12:58
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
There are clearly some bed wetters on this thread that want to see SOU fail. We have been given no information to suggest that the expansion plans are not moving ahead and in fact I received a response from the MD back in early May to confirm that plans were to be submitted later this summer. I was also told from someone who has their ear to the ground at the airport that works were due to start around October 2019. How accurate this is I cannot say but I do know that there is a total commitment to have the expansion plans carried out and for the airport to have a much brighter future!
I trust and hope your analysis is correct for the future of SOU, but at the moment the public and industry perception is very negative. There seems to be a policy of deliberate neglect which is feeding through to the media and therefore to the wider world. Look at the number of airlines that have jumped ship in the last 2 years.

Either this is a cynical way to kill off the airline operation in order to make the airport unviable, so the only way is to sell it for real estate, or it is very inept airport management which could risk the whole aviation operation through lack of committment.

Time will tell, but unfortunately time seems to be running out for SOU.

However if SEN can rise from a much closer 'near death experience' so can SOU!!


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Old 6th Jul 2019, 13:38
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The problem for SOU is that it is in golfing terms playing with just one club in it's bag - FlyBe. That club has recently been repaired, but nobody knows how it's going to perform going ahead, and whether it's going to perform best as a driver or a putter! It won't any longer be all things to all men.

This means that some airports will likely catch a cold; others may prosper. The winners, I suspect will be particular MAN, and possibly LHR. The losers BHX, and I fear SOU. That's not to say they'll withdraw from either, but that their presence will be somewhat diminished. Some airports may lose them altogether. The next six months may be crucial.

What the loser airports will have to do is find some new players to fill the holes, and aside of Loganair I'm struggling to see where they will come from, especially with a potential no deal Brexit closing the door to EU operators operating domestically in UK.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 14:23
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
There are clearly some bed wetters on this thread that want to see SOU fail. We have been given no information to suggest that the expansion plans are not moving ahead and in fact I received a response from the MD back in early May to confirm that plans were to be submitted later this summer. I was also told from someone who has their ear to the ground at the airport that works were due to start around October 2019. How accurate this is I cannot say but I do know that there is a total commitment to have the expansion plans carried out and for the airport to have a much brighter future!
Agreed. They have ruined this thread and one in particular user is surely approaching a ban shortly?

If you go on SOU’s social media the new MD has been spreading the message about the expansion plans all over the place. There has also not surprisingly been an uplift in the publicity of how green the airport is and how much it does for the community (all of which is standard in the run up to expansion). The tree works have been put on hold to allow the nesting season to pass.

there has been a lull over the last year which is not surprising as the aviation sector is in a period of consolidation (especially the regional market). All the more reason why SOU is finally taking the plunge and creating facilities acceptable to one of the big low cost operators. What will never change is that people want to fly from SOU and the transport infrastructure is second to none. The same will probably never be said about BOH, who are welcome to the small minority who will put up with all the agro just to fly for a £1. It’s small potatoes for both BOH and FR, so is never going to be a threat to SOU (not would SOU want anything to do with FR I am willing to bet). Fingers crossed the bedwetters can hold off their negativeness until the autumn.
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Old 7th Jul 2019, 07:23
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
There are clearly some bed wetters on this thread that want to see SOU fail. We have been given no information to suggest that the expansion plans are not moving ahead and in fact I received a response from the MD back in early May to confirm that plans were to be submitted later this summer. I was also told from someone who has their ear to the ground at the airport that works were due to start around October 2019. How accurate this is I cannot say but I do know that there is a total commitment to have the expansion plans carried out and for the airport to have a much brighter future!
Is that the same MD who flew from London for a meeting in Glasgow and was silly enough to post it on twitter? (apparently Flybe didn't provide the right timings)

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Old 7th Jul 2019, 18:28
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Bournemouth is certainly not one of the losers,increasing pax,routes and more to come I would think. Sou performance over the last 12 months has been very disappointing to say the least.Maybe a look at Southend development and investment would show how it can progress. The key is investment, something SOU has had very little in recent years. As stated by other contributors to this blog,there has been little progress to the proposed development plans,it will be a year soon from when they were proposed.
Where are we with them?,the longer they remain as talk only,the less chance of attracting a carrier.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 09:38
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According to “routes on line “the following routes are being discontinued from the end of the season

La Rochelle
Nantes
Rennes
Alicante ( this has been operated throughout the winter for the last few years on a DCH8 )

The last EMB 195 looks to go now on the 3 rd Oct with Malaga being the last operated service , the jet was originally finishing at the end of Oct but Flybe look ready to finish a bit earlier in the season
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 12:59
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Could this be the start of a Virgin Connect route cull do we think?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 15:39
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Could this be the start of a Virgin Connect route cull do we think?
Or the end of some seasonal routes? Or these routes have been culled so they can base/overnight an aircraft at Cardiff to operate Dublin Cork and Jersey.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 17:40
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The decline at SOU continues,and meanwhile no application for the proposed development,at this rate will there be any need for expansion?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 20:43
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The decline at SOU continues,and meanwhile no application for the proposed development,at this rate will there be any need for expansion?
Declines at GLA and ABZ continue too. All 3 airports run by AGS. Coincidence?
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 11:23
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Eastern Airways Our Flybe franchise services from Southampton Airport to Leeds Bradford Airport are increasing up to 3 flights a day, Monday to Thursday from 9 September 2019 to offer more choice. Flights are bookable now at flybe.com
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 17:17
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Is anything going to happen at SOU?,it's July ,no planning permission submitted,pax figures stagnant,no new routes,airlines decreasing.
can the airport continue as it is ?Things dont look brilliant!
I understand from a reliable source that submission of a Planning Application for the starter strip is expected next month.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 19:44
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I understand from a reliable source that submission of a Planning Application for the starter strip is expected next month.
TCAS FAN that would correlate with what I have been told also!
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Old 28th Jul 2019, 12:28
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Funny how this thread has gone so quiet since it was mentioned that a planning application will be submitted next month. The usual moaners I guess don't have a lot to say at present and before you say it needs to pass planning etc etc, the airport owners have chucked an absolute fortune at the expansion plans so my guess would be they feel confident of a positive outcome!
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