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Old 10th Mar 2019, 14:13
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Confirmed by the airport that cross wind conditions were the cause, think BE E95 also diverted to BOU!
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 15:13
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So todayís EasyJet/SOU weirdness is the arrival being diverted to Luton (pre-planned way in advance by the looks of it) and the departure from SOU cancelled. I bet all those who chose to fly from their local airport rather than LGW will not make the same mistake again. If SOU cannot handle one airbus a day then they might as well just throw in the towel with any future plans. You would think the airport was based in the North Pole with the amount of issues they have with ops. Shambles.
Shambles, far from it, concerning yes if the airport wants to attract a LCC!
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 15:31
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If it makes you feel any better SEN has narrow runway like SOU, EZY have 25kt crosswind limit (including gust) there too.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 15:45
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Sorry but why is it a shambles or even a concern if crosswind components are exceeded one day? Itís the weather, nothing to do with the airport. EZY probably encounter weather diversions across their network at least once a week if not more often. Iím struggling to understand how SOU is at fault here. Is it for failing to anticipate this and building a runway on a turntable so it could always be facing into wind?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 15:54
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
So todayís EasyJet/SOU weirdness is the arrival being diverted to Luton (pre-planned way in advance by the looks of it) and the departure from SOU cancelled. I bet all those who chose to fly from their local airport rather than LGW will not make the same mistake again. If SOU cannot handle one airbus a day then they might as well just throw in the towel with any future plans. You would think the airport was based in the North Pole with the amount of issues they have with ops. Shambles.
I live four miles NE of SOU and mid-morning wind gusts here were force 10, causing widespread damage to trees - including the tree in my garden! Force 10 is 52 knots and the absolute maximum crosswind performance for an A320 is 38 knots landing, 29 knots on take off, so clearly it could not have operated safely at any airport anywhere in such conditions. The wind in South Hampshire today has been extreme to say the least, with the isobars very locally being squeezed just in the immediate area by low pressure just east of London, and low pressure to the north west, and there is nothing that could have been done to mitigate the circumstances and avoid the diversions. Clearly not SOUís fault on this occasion.

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 17:27
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The exceptional windspeed and direction would have caused diversions at any airport today,it's important to remember that SOU rwy heading is 20 which is not the predominant wind direction for the area, something like BOU 26 would be more appropriate,however it wasn't possible to build a runway with that heading at SOU.
Having said all of this SOU biggest weather problem is fog due to the River Itchin close by and being in a low lying river valley. The RVR minama of 800mtrs has to be one of the highest figures for any regional airport.I suggest that any future operations by airlines like Easy might be hindered by this high minima,given BOU cat 3 operations was required by Ryanair to set up a base!
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 20:57
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,given BOU cat 3 operations was required by Ryanair to set up a base!
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Not correct. Ryanair already had one aircraft based at BOH before the CAT 3 ILS was installed. RYR told BOH they would increase the base to 3 aircraft if the ILS was upgraded to CAT 3. BOH did this - but the two additional aircraft never materialised!
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 21:12
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Not correct. Ryanair already had one aircraft based at BOH before the CAT 3 ILS was installed. RYR told BOH they would increase the base to 3 aircraft if the ILS was upgraded to CAT 3. BOH did this - but the two additional aircraft never materialised!
SEN starts RYR ops next month and is also only CAT 1 ILS!
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 22:00
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
Sorry but why is it a shambles or even a concern if crosswind components are exceeded one day? Itís the weather, nothing to do with the airport. EZY probably encounter weather diversions across their network at least once a week if not more often. Iím struggling to understand how SOU is at fault here. Is it for failing to anticipate this and building a runway on a turntable so it could always be facing into wind?
I am not suggesting they should be able to control the weather, but ops are constantly disrupted at SOU. Fog, wind, closing times, ancient landing system, candles for landing lights etc. You only have to look on this thread to see how frequent these issues materialise. Sure, every airport has its off days but for SOU itís constant. There is no point carrying out their planned investment if planes cannot operate in and out in the first place.

You can pick any day an airbus sized aircraft is operating and it leaves late every single time (even when arriving early). Itís woeful that they struggle to handle even one of these sized aircraft a day. Letís say EasyJet base one aircraft here, and it operates 4-5 flights a day, with the usual approximate 30 minute delay added to each departure of an aircraft this size, every one of the last arrivals of the day is going to have find somewhere else to land for the night. The issue would be twice as exasperated if they based 2 aircraft.

Iím sure Easy Jet want to open a base, at the very least because other airports are currently maxed out, but one rotation a day seems to be frought with issues as it is, so a base would be a daily disaster.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 22:25
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If I were easyJet I wouldn't base any a/C at SOU. There are plenty of routes they could operate using a/c based at their many bases on mainland Europe, as they do with the current GVA service. Would eliminate the curfew issue.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 17:17
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3 months or thereabouts until Flylolo are supposed to commence their summer schedule and still no word on airline operator. Was told at end Feb the plane had been secured and a joint launch with the airport was going to happen, we still await!
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:26
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Flylolo is just not going to happen!
More important would be a planning application for the airport RW extension,etc being approved ,Is it going to happen? or if it eventually does will it bring any substantial growth given the curflew .There are a lot of ifs.
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 21:55
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Flylolo is just not going to happen!
More important would be a planning application for the airport RW extension,etc being approved ,Is it going to happen? or if it eventually does will it bring any substantial growth given the curflew .There are a lot of ifs.
Sorry if iím being dumb but why does this thread keep banging on about curfews. Airport opening hours roughly mirror those of SEN and they dont seem to suffer problems with out of hours EZY traffic. Their first and last arrivals are not dissimilar to SOU so why should any based airline be at a disadvantage here!? Cheers



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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:53
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I don't believe that SOU hours are similar to SEN as SEN is open 24/7. Delayed inbounds to SOU are normally only accepted up until 23:30 and then only if ATC, Fire Service etc. are available. After that they usually divert.

From the Southend website:

Southend Airport has always been operational 24/7. As part of the S106 planning agreement (2010), the night period was extended from midnight – 06:00 to 23:00 – 06:30. As well as extending the night period, a number of tighter restrictions at night were implemented;

The night quota was reduced from 940 to 120 night flights per month
  • Private helicopters were banned at night
  • Only aircraft with a noise QC level of 1 or less may operate at night* see below
  • Passenger flights can only be scheduled between 06:30 to 23:30 (limited quota between 23:00 – 23:30) however delayed and diverted passenger flights may still operate.
Those last 9 words are the crucial difference.

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Old 14th Mar 2019, 22:54
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Difference is SEN is technically open 24hours and can therefore accept late arriving flights, although I do believe there is a penalty imposed in certain cases.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 14:08
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I will give Flylolo 10 out of 10 for perseverance , there latest rather childish add on Twitter made by Paul Dendle ( he should know better ) titled " Golden age of flying " shows a photo of Southampton airport when BA ( BACON ) were at there peak with EMB 145 all lined up , and then go onto telling you that you will be flying on a A319 jet this summer complete with extra legroom ..... mmmm
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 15:55
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Ad's a bit cheesy but their Mama Mia Ad was better - well they have to do well despite all of us here wringing our hands with doom and woe -- SOU needs a sunny boost! LOL London's newest airport...



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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:22
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So who is providing the A319 for Flylolo ????
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:40
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So who is providing the A319 for Flylolo ????
No idea, was told from the horses mouth that a E90 had been secured and a promotional launch with the airport was being arranged. An A319 will be performance limited and will need to have seat capacity reduced dramatically and i cant see that it would be financially viable, however i dont believe the airbus will eventually be the plane of choice. Agreed that i think we would all like to see flylolo succeed but there just seems to be too much uncertainty with aircraft operators changing, destinations being removed and advertising very hit and miss!
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 18:21
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I find their twitter feed really really unprofessional it reminds me of Firnas Airways. Theyíre spending all their time arguing with people who leave comments and posting rubbish/retweeting about other companiesÖ this is an embarrassment to Southampton and the potential the airport has
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