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Old 17th Jan 2020, 09:07
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Have you ever tried driving in to Switzerland?

Don't forget you'll need to pay for a vignette in addition to the car rental company fees for cross-border. Driving across the Swiss border isn't always an easy task if you don't have Swiss plates on.. expect to be searched.

Also hiring a car in Switzerland during ski season, you're likely to have a car supplied with winter tyres on. In Munich? I doubt it. Not as simple as it seems from the armchair.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 09:17
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
Have you ever tried driving in to Switzerland?

Don't forget you'll need to pay for a vignette in addition to the car rental company fees for cross-border. Driving across the Swiss border isn't always an easy task if you don't have Swiss plates on.. expect to be searched.

Also hiring a car in Switzerland during ski season, you're likely to have a car supplied with winter tyres on. In Munich? I doubt it. Not as simple as it seems from the armchair.
From personal experience I can say that it can be hard to get a car with winter tyres in Munich, even if you have specified winter tyres when booking. No issues getting into Austria of course but you wouldn't want to drive in the mountains without winter tyres.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 10:07
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
Have you ever tried driving in to Switzerland?

Don't forget you'll need to pay for a vignette in addition to the car rental company fees for cross-border. Driving across the Swiss border isn't always an easy task if you don't have Swiss plates on.. expect to be searched.

Also hiring a car in Switzerland during ski season, you're likely to have a car supplied with winter tyres on. In Munich? I doubt it. Not as simple as it seems from the armchair.
Armchair? I do this regularly so I am the one with experience thank you. Flew to ZRH a month back and into Austria. No queue whatsoever at border.

I flew often from Man or EDI to Munich but next month from NCL which will save 4 hours minimum each way, You pay Ä10 for 10 days for the Austrian vignette. Nearly all the cars from MUC have winter tyres and yes the rental costs are far cheaper than GVA and far less chance of being caught speeding.

Plus Hipennine is correct in saying that you donít pay for skies on Lufthansa economy flex saving around £75 return compared to the locos.

All I was saying is that the airport have missed an marketing opportunity to get the route off to the best possible start by not promoting Munichís proximity to the likes of Kitzbuhel, Mayrhofen and so forth. Times have changed and most people donít want a charter for a week into Innsbruck or Salzburg.
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Old 17th Jan 2020, 22:37
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
To be fair, I've seen more promotion by the airport for the new MUC route than any other I can remember.
Absolutely. To the extent where they are running facebook ads saying you can ''now'' fly to Budapest with Lufthansa for ''just £x'', when BA do it for cheaper (I've been on here before about how NCL management don't seem to value BA enough. But I'll stop whingeing )
Yes, the marketing department have really pulled their finger out on this new MUC route.
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Old 18th Jan 2020, 09:38
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
Have you ever tried driving in to Switzerland?

Don't forget you'll need to pay for a vignette in addition to the car rental company fees for cross-border. Driving across the Swiss border isn't always an easy task if you don't have Swiss plates on.. expect to be searched.

Also hiring a car in Switzerland during ski season, you're likely to have a car supplied with winter tyres on. In Munich? I doubt it. Not as simple as it seems from the armchair.

I've done it quite a few times and never been stopped at all......................... and have left without realising I'd crossed the border (by mistake) as well............
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 22:15
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Any news on when SX-ABQ will be on the move? Last update on this thread was back in November with no repair until payment.

It doesnít look like Olympus do much in the way of winter ops but they must have accumulated a fair hit on airport fees from sitting here the last 4 months one would imagine.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 07:03
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Any news on when SX-ABQ will be on the move?
It's not expected to leave the airport any time soon.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 08:05
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Originally Posted by JonnyH View Post
Any news on when SX-ABQ will be on the move?
Its officially down as being stored at NCL. The other 2x A321 in the fleet are stored at Teruel Spain.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 20:33
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Eastern

Seems Loganair have killed off Eastern, CWL service ends 4th Feb and seems to have switched to MME. ABZ will be operated just once daily on an ATR72 from the 10th meaning the base will close.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 21:10
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Originally Posted by NCL-TRC View Post
Seems Loganair have killed off Eastern, CWL service ends 4th Feb and seems to have switched to MME. ABZ will be operated just once daily on an ATR72 from the 10th meaning the base will close.
Apparently Eastern/Flybe are just operating a Sunday service between CWL & NCL with the daily CWL-ABZ going via MME.

Lets hope Loganair takeover the NCL-CWL-NCL route.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 21:29
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The cwl -ncl route isn't viable, which is one of the reasons for easterns switch. Loganair would be better serving ncl-bhx or ncl-cbg
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 22:50
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CWL used to attract a decent load when it was twice daily, when it went down to a single lunchtime departure it didnít help.

if Loganair wanted to operate CWL then weíd need another aircraft, the only spare time is between 0910 ABZ arrival and the SVG going at 1300 but I believe thatís the time slot the BGO will eventually fill.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 22:54
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how attractive are the fares? Loganair not renowned for attractive fares.
What is the alternative? Long winded train?
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 00:09
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
how attractive are the fares? Loganair not renowned for attractive fares.
What is the alternative? Long winded train?
The alternative is a 7 to 8 hour train journey which is expensive. The other option is to go to England and fly from Bristol or Heathrow.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 07:32
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Loganair not renowned for attractive fares.
They are compared to Eastern!
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 08:51
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The cwl -ncl route isn't viable, which is one of the reasons for easterns switch.
Give us a clue - how does switching CWL-NCL to become CWL-MME solve the problem of either route not being viable?
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 View Post
Give us a clue - how does switching CWL-NCL to become CWL-MME solve the problem of either route not being viable?
government cash helps
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 12:14
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Clearly tied in with the other route announcements at MME today, and it would be surprising if there wasn't some sort of start up support from the Mayor (who is getting his money from Central Government).

Given the number of schedule changes and non-ops, MME-ABZ has been struggling. LM also must be impacting Eastern at NCL.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 06:01
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Originally Posted by JonnyH View Post
Any news on when SX-ABQ will be on the move? Last update on this thread was back in November with no repair until payment.

It doesnít look like Olympus do much in the way of winter ops but they must have accumulated a fair hit on airport fees from sitting here the last 4 months one would imagine.
Whilst it is officially being stored here, the state of the aircraft Is appalling. The repair is now just covered by speed tape. The door still has the notice on it which states the aircraft is detained at NCL. However, my friend noticed there were 2 new tyres on it. Which then begs to say, why put new shoes on a dying horse? It is most certainly going to be used in the coming months, Olympus have only just acquired a new aircraft.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 11:46
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SX-ABQ at twenty years old it must be near its end.
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