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Old 25th Jan 2020, 15:50
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Whilst it is officially being stored here, the state of the aircraft Is appalling. The repair is now just covered by speed tape. The door still has the notice on it which states the aircraft is detained at NCL. However, my friend noticed there were 2 new tyres on it. Which then begs to say, why put new shoes on a dying horse? It is most certainly going to be used in the coming months, Olympus have only just acquired a new aircraft.
Question - wouldn't the engines need regular, periodic running to avoid invalidating its CofA and big servicing issues once whatever the damage to airframe/ was/is?
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Falcon900LX
Whilst it is officially being stored here, the state of the aircraft Is appalling. The repair is now just covered by speed tape. The door still has the notice on it which states the aircraft is detained at NCL. However, my friend noticed there were 2 new tyres on it. Which then begs to say, why put new shoes on a dying horse? It is most certainly going to be used in the coming months, Olympus have only just acquired a new aircraft.
I had heard that it was due to move at the end of the month but the condition of the aircraft is terrible.

It does beg the question, which was mentioned a few months ago within this thread, was the aircraft flying whilst in a unsafe condition? It had already sustained damage before arriving at NCL, allegedly, and the damage it has sustained was unlikely to be caused in mid-air... and TUI were using them last summer and possibly this summer. It doesn’t sound too good and I wouldn’t want to fly with these chancers.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 18:30
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the fact it is not flying with plans for repair would suggest they are far from 'chancers'
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
the fact it is not flying with plans for repair would suggest they are far from 'chancers'
Not necessarily true. They wanted repairs prior to payment which was refused. The airport put measures in place to prevent the aircraft leaving and this was back in October.

The damage wasn’t sustained at NCL and therefore the plane wasn’t fit for service upon arrival. IMO, and it is just my opinion, they are chancers.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 20:08
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Originally Posted by JonnyH
I had heard that it was due to move at the end of the month but the condition of the aircraft is terrible.

It does beg the question, which was mentioned a few months ago within this thread, was the aircraft flying whilst in a unsafe condition? It had already sustained damage before arriving at NCL, allegedly, and the damage it has sustained was unlikely to be caused in mid-air... and TUI were using them last summer and possibly this summer. It doesn’t sound too good and I wouldn’t want to fly with these chancers.
perhaps it’s TUI’s 4th based aircraft for this summer 🙄
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:32
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Originally Posted by PintofDoom
The cwl -ncl route isn't viable, which is one of the reasons for easterns switch. Loganair would be better serving ncl-bhx or ncl-cbg
Newcastle-Cambridge would be a strange one. Not a criticism, I don't know if you're aware of a specific market (academic or business?) that I'm not aware of.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 12:55
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Lufthansa Reveals Major Shake-up of Eurowings

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...hake-eurowings

Reductions in schedules to Dusseldorf from April this year, as is the case to other UK airports e.g. Edinburgh etc...

LGW Dash Q400's leaving the fleet and a reduction in Eurowngs Airbus fleet of 10 to 20 percent (ref. linked article above)

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Old 26th Jan 2020, 19:15
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Originally Posted by jensdad
Newcastle-Cambridge would be a strange one. Not a criticism, I don't know if you're aware of a specific market (academic or business?) that I'm not aware of.
BHX - NCL? Now there's a delightful thought. From our location west of Birmingham it's a 4hr (min) slog (5 on a bad day) including the traffic solid A1 from M18 onwards.
Bristol based colleagues {in my working life) could , and still can, jump on Easyjet BRS - NCL. They were still in bed when I had to set off. Lol.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 07:16
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A connection to CBG would have its advantages for the medical/pharmaceutical industries along with technology companies and academics along side VFR(Plenty of northern students at cambridge) and other busniess travel needs where the train can be impractical taking up to 4 hours with changes.

A connection to BHX was viable until T3 messed it up changing the depart and arrival times which eventually made the service pointless for business day trips. A twice daily service to provide a full business day each way could be a very fruitful route as the trains are direct, although take up to 3.5 hours and the voyagers Class 220/221s are not the most pleasant for longish journeys.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 08:14
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Cambridge airport is due to close before 2030 so I can’t see any airline looking to start new services there.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by VentureGo
LGW Dash Q400's leaving the fleet and a reduction in Eurowngs Airbus fleet of 10 to 20 percent (ref. linked article above)
The article doesn't mention a reduction in the airbus fleet of 10-20 percent. It says the short-haul fleet will be reduced by 10-20 percent - this will mainly be due to the removal of the Dash8.

Specifically it mentions the 9 oldest A320s will leave the fleet at the end of the year, to be replaced by 4x A320NEOs in 2021 and 16 in 2022. Overall thats an increase in the A320 fleet size.
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Old 27th Jan 2020, 10:21
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The article doesn't mention a reduction in the airbus fleet of 10-20 percent. It says the short-haul fleet will be reduced by 10-20 percent - this will mainly be due to the removal of the Dash8.
Yes, you could be correct, - although I read the article as the Dash8 fleet. counted separately, being owned by LGW (Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter), bought by Lufthansa in 2017 and subsequently sold on to Zeitfracht Group last year with a long term leasing agreement to operate newer E190's (replacing Dash8) for Eurowings
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 09:32
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BHX-NCL usedto be 4 Daily week days and 1 Sunday from 90's right through till Eastern took over in 2006 (?) then they gradually ran it down, and charged too much you get as low as £49 return with BA at times. From memory they were ex BHX 08:00, 11:15, 15:00 and 18:30 +/- but near enough perfect for not only day business trips but half day too.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 09:53
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BHX-NCL usedto be 4 Daily week days and 1 Sunday from 90's right through till Eastern took over in 2006 (?) then they gradually ran it down, and charged too much you get as low as £49 return with BA at times. From memory they were ex BHX 08:00, 11:15, 15:00 and 18:30 +/- but near enough perfect for not only day business trips but half day too.
I used this flight several times before it got shelved & cheapest I got flight for was £90 1 way, but flight so much better than rail .... which I use now at around £50 1 way.....
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 13:39
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Originally Posted by FQTLSteve
BHX-NCL usedto be 4 Daily week days and 1 Sunday from 90's right through till Eastern took over in 2006 (?) then they gradually ran it down, and charged too much you get as low as £49 return with BA at times. From memory they were ex BHX 08:00, 11:15, 15:00 and 18:30 +/- but near enough perfect for not only day business trips but half day too.
When have you ever seen a £49 return with BA from here?
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 09:29
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I have actually on more than once paid £49 return BHX-NCL when op by BA on the J41 back in 2000 and 2001 you had to stay Saturday night in either destinaton to get it but it was only £49 return I kid you not, and full service on board and bags too.
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Originally Posted by FQTLSteve
I have actually on more than once paid £49 return BHX-NCL when op by BA on the J41 back in 2000 and 2001 you had to stay Saturday night in either destinaton to get it but it was only £49 return I kid you not, and full service on board and bags too.
I regularly flew NCL -BHX - NCL during this period, and mid week daily return was quite competitive when compared to rail or even car, as journey times using rail or car necessitated overnight hotel stays to allow business meetings etc... I would imagine the route could be very successful if timings were appropriate to allow daily morning and evening returns. Surprised even easyJet have not seen potential, considering their success with multiple daily rotations to BRS and BFS. XCountry trains are always packed,from Newcastle to Birmingham, so plenty of demand.
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Originally Posted by VentureGo
I regularly flew NCL -BHX - NCL during this period, and mid week daily return was quite competitive when compared to rail or even car, as journey times using rail or car necessitated overnight hotel stays to allow business meetings etc... I would imagine the route could be very successful if timings were appropriate to allow daily morning and evening returns. Surprised even easyJet have not seen potential, considering their success with multiple daily rotations to BRS and BFS. XCountry trains are always packed,from Newcastle to Birmingham, so plenty of demand.
The train to Birmingham from the North East is soul destroying - it seems to take forever. If the government were to make changes to APD (as has been hinted at), it might really open up some interesting domestic routes for U2.
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka
The train to Birmingham from the North East is soul destroying - it seems to take forever. If the government were to make changes to APD (as has been hinted at), it might really open up some interesting domestic routes for U2.
I’d second that! Have flown in the past but now train is the only option. Never been on time arriving or leaving New Street.
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