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Old 30th May 2018, 16:38
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Originally Posted by ZOOKER
Is there any spare staff capacity at EGMC? If so could Stobart Airports compulsory-post people to EGNC, similar to the the way NATS ATCO are a 'mobile-grade'?.......Or even some form of detatched-duty'?

Assuming EGNC doesn't manage to recruit the necessary staff.
Spare staff at SEN? The airport is growing so fast there is difficulty in recruiting enough ATC controllers for itself.
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Old 30th May 2018, 17:11
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I believe SEN has 16 ATCO's. How many needed at CAX? Not 16 - but more than 2 or 3.
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Old 30th May 2018, 17:29
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Forcing one of your ATC,s to upsticks to the other end of the country at short notice, is a surefire way to lose one of your ATC,s. In a market that would appear to be a tad short of them
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Old 30th May 2018, 17:40
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Originally Posted by SARF
Forcing one of your ATC,s to upsticks to the other end of the country at short notice, is a surefire way to lose one of your ATC,s. In a market that would appear to be a tad short of them
A SEN controller would not be able to just get into a seat in the CAX tower without a considerable amount of familiarisation and CAA validation. On top of that I very much doubt that SEN could spare any of its own controllers; especially at this time when they can expect more night traffic from LTN's night closure for 3 months.
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Old 31st May 2018, 07:24
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It will be interesting to see how much executive jet movement actually happens.
The only link to the city after 10pm and before 06:30am being by road.
Helicopter movement is banned under current planning arrangements, so that kills the transfers to Battersea and further a field.
I wonder if this has been passed on to the operators.
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Old 31st May 2018, 07:46
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Originally Posted by HeliAl
It will be interesting to see how much executive jet movement actually happens.
The only link to the city after 10pm and before 06:30am being by road.
Helicopter movement is banned under current planning arrangements, so that kills the transfers to Battersea and further a field.
I wonder if this has been passed on to the operators.
I'm sure you're right about the helicopter restrictions. But for accuracy the first train to London is 0405, the last 2305 (Mon - Fri). Traveling to London by car during the night is a doddle.
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Old 31st May 2018, 08:46
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Yes, I'm not sure how many biz jet passengers would wish to travel by train...........
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Chauffeur driven limousines, more likely.
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Old 31st May 2018, 12:48
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Originally Posted by inOban
Chauffeur driven limousines, more likely.
Plenty of them in Southend, mainly stretch limos for girls' nights out though......

Seriously I can't see that there is any problem with the lack of overnight trains as far as biz jet pax are concerned. If SEN can make the biz jet community aware that they are offering 24/7 access then they should attract interest during LTN's night closure. More important will be to see how many continue to use SEN after LTN re-opens.
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Meanwhile, back in the boardroom, Stobart's co-broker quits, saying their position has become untenable:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...rdroom-battle/

And Stobart themselves issue a statement revealing a series of challenges to the group by Andrew Tinkler:

http://www.share.com/investments/sha...ice#news751318
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Old 31st May 2018, 18:02
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Originally Posted by Barling Magna
Plenty of them in Southend, mainly stretch limos for girls' nights out though......

Seriously I can't see that there is any problem with the lack of overnight trains as far as biz jet pax are concerned. If SEN can make the biz jet community aware that they are offering 24/7 access then they should attract interest during LTN's night closure. More important will be to see how many continue to use SEN after LTN re-opens.
If Southend can’t make a success of biz jets when the choice is them or nothing overnight then they should hang their heads in shame.
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Old 31st May 2018, 18:50
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Originally Posted by LTNman


If Southend can’t make a success of biz jets when the choice is them or nothing overnight then they should hang their heads in shame.
The team at EBACE were excited about the amount of summer night movements they expect to pick up from Stansted and Luton. Keeping that traffic will be the challenge. The boardroom war between Tinkler/Woodford and Stobart/Invesco may derail all the good work at SEN but nothing the troops on the ground can do about that.
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Old 31st May 2018, 19:00
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Originally Posted by LTNman


If Southend can’t make a success of biz jets when the choice is them or nothing overnight then they should hang their heads in shame.
I'm sorry where did that comment come from? Who has said SEN cannot deal with additional bizjet movements. Sometimes it seems because other airports are being movement restricted some posters can't wait for SEN to fall flat on it's face.

It would be nice to see some support for SEN to keep bringing in biz traffic to the London area whilst there is a famine of space elsewhere. If SEN fails then who knows the near continent may benefit and some of this traffic may never return.

I know this is England where gloom abounds but a little optimism and good will would be welcome.


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Old 31st May 2018, 19:32
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I have no idea what you are saying. Either I am a very bad communicator or you have misread my post.
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Old 31st May 2018, 21:15
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How do SEN's rates for night private jets compare with LTN's.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 10:39
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With SENs schedule really messed up again today, is this due merely to weather, or are they short of aircraft? The night shift will be busy!
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 11:59
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Weather ,
Fog at SEN last night caused the diversion of three a/c to LGW that i am aware of.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 12:15
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Lots of Summer fog at the moment. Can't say I have ever really seen it so foggy at this time of year. Every evening the last 4 days fog has been forming.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 12:50
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Problems over at STN all week as well, Monday I was on one of 50 or so flights arriving after midnight which caused chaos for those battling to get out the airport having missed the last trains and buses. Many cancellations over the last couple of nights too.

Our own weather not helped by restrictions across Europe.
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Old 1st Jun 2018, 12:56
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Problems over at STN all week as well, Monday I was on one of 50 or so flights arriving after midnight which caused chaos for those battling to get out the airport having missed the last trains and buses. Many cancellations over the last couple of nights too.

Our own weather not helped by restrictions across Europe.
Thanks for the info guys. Heavy showers here in Luxembourg
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