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[LGS6753]

LTU, Braathens, Martinair, SABENA, Transair, Fred Olsen, Schreiner

Not sure any of these exist any longer. In any case, there seem to be fewer and fewer successful scheduled airlines as those operating large aircraft have to compete directly with the likes of EZY and RYR, and those operating smaller aircraft have to compete with the economic value perception created by EZY and RYR.

[SWBKCB]

For example, If the average load factor on flights at Heathrow increases by just 2%, which with a buoyant economy and increases competition, is quite possible, then that translates to an additional 1.5 million passengers a year through Heathrow.

Yes - but getting back to LTNman's original post, if you double not very much you still have not very much - this makes comments such as "London's fastest growing airport" pointless, and making a more series point such spin/waffle/BS can undermine the integrity of the rest of your messages.

[Planespeaking]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Yes - but getting back to LTNman's original post, if you double not very much you still have not very much - this makes comments such as "London's fastest growing airport" pointless, and making a more series point such spin/waffle/BS can undermine the integrity of the rest of your messages.

All this dancing on the head of a pin over which airport is growing fastest or slowest is really rather tedious and prompts the response of ' get a life.' Surely after £150 million of investment at SEN Stobart are to be commended, the airport is growing, new operators are appearing albeit slowly, and remember it took LCY years and a number of false dawns before it became fully established. So a little less of mine is bigger than yours would be welcome.

[Red Four]

Whilst I agree that this a typical P.R. piece, I'm intrigued by how LTN Man already has the 2018 figures to hand - perhaps the development at Luton included a fancy time machine?

Actual passenger growth 2017 vs 2018:

Hmmm, let's have a wider look at London airports between 2016 and 2017, specifically LCY 2016: 4,538,813; LCY 2017: 4,530,439, a "negative growth" of 8,374.

I just love how statistics can be manipulated to put the slant on any story.

Planesspeaking, agree entirely, however just 'illuminating' the discussion on my part.

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by Red Four

Whilst I agree that this a typical P.R. piece, I'm intrigued by how LTN Man already has the 2018 figures to hand - perhaps the development at Luton included a fancy time machine?

For your benefit the stats have been corrected to February 2018. Deduct 12 months and that is 2017

[Red Four]

Thank you LTNman. Do you still maintain that:

Southend by a long way is still actually London's worst performing airport for year on year actual growth]

[LTNman]

I was just pointing out that folk need to look through the spin and that I could write a piece about how well Southend is doing based on the above figures but equally I could write a piece about how bad Southend is doing based on the same set of figures.

I think we all agree that Southend is the new kid on the block and the investment is paying off gradually with new routes and airlines. I can't see any reason why Southend will not add a million passengers in the next year or two.

[Red Four]

Yes, I agree. I think that many on here are actually quite adept at looking through the spin peddled in the media (and internet fora ).

[Barling Magna]

The first Air Malta flight from Luqa has arrived safely at SEN, taxiing in to a water arch welcome. Nice to have them back, and every best wish for the success of their initiative.

[mikkie4]

138 passengers on the first out bound to malta...good start lets hope that it continues

[AirportPlanner1]

I wonder what the logic was behind scheduling this morning’s flight to MAN but not the late one, on a Bank Holiday. I heard only a couple went northbound, about 30 on the return leg. Surely an evening flight would have been far more sensible.

[Expressflight]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

I wonder what the logic was behind scheduling this morning’s flight to MAN but not the late one, on a Bank Holiday. I heard only a couple went northbound, about 30 on the return leg. Surely an evening flight would have been far more sensible.

Your post inadvertently makes it sound as though there was only one SEN-MAN rotation yesterday. The first and second flights, scheduled for 0635 & 1440 departure from SEN, operated as normal but there was no third flight which is timetabled at 1835. This never appeared on the departure boards so wasn't cancelled on the day but I don't know why and, as you rightly say, one would think the evening flight on a Bank Holiday Monday might be the most popular.

[mikkie4]

AIR MALTA & EZY going head to head today ..Malta via Catania 121 pax.... Malta direct 138 pax, wonder how many are only going as far as Catania..either way a good set of numbers (info taken from SEN face book page)

[Bee Rexit]

I am going to Malta from SEN in July with Easyjet, We have had an aircraft change to an A320 so a few more bums on seats expected.
I think Malta was always going to be a good route. Surprised it took so long to come and then suddenly two carriers are trying it.

[asdf1234]

Year end results

Results posted today. Aviation division loss for year ended 28th Feb increased to £9.7m from a loss of £4.6m last year. Not brilliant news and something needs to change soon. Given the group as a whole made a loss (when the disposal of the Eddie Stobart is removed from the calculations) I can't see how much longer the other divisions (rail and infrastructure) can support the aviation black hole.

[tws123]

As was previously thought, Monarch's collapse leads to Wizzair expanding at Luton instead of SEN - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...apse-2rr9j3pk6

[DC3 Dave]

Wow!! Did I get just read Warwick Brady briefing against Stobart Air? Phrases like "Saving your own backside" come to mind.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by DC3 Dave

Wow!! Did I get just read Warwick Brady briefing against Stobart Air? Phrases like "Saving your own backside" come to mind.

Care to expand?

[Planespeaking]

Originally Posted by tws123

As was previously thought, Monarch's collapse leads to Wizzair expanding at Luton instead of SEN - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...apse-2rr9j3pk6

The trouble is that article is behind a paywall, therefore unless you subscribe it can't be read.

[DC3 Dave]

Warwick Brady, chief executive, said that his abortive plans to merge Stobart’s aircraft fleet with Flybe remained a good idea. “We have said we don’t plan to be a long-term holder of Stobart Air,” he said. “We saw real value in putting the business together. Our plan was to take a minority stake and become an active investor in Flybe.”

As an 'expert' in aviation , was Warwick Brady not expected to grow Stobart Air? Isn't he now suggesting it needs to be disposed of because of the stated need to support the dividend? And given how much the Aviation Division depends on Flybe/Stobart pax is this the start of a downward spiral for the airport?