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Perhaps we'll never know. But an interested party can delay / postpone a decision to operate out of the airport in the sure and certain knowledge that they can revisit that decision at some future point without disadvantaging themselves in any way.
That wouldn't be the case at other London airports, where opportunities need to be grabbed or lost.
That wouldn't be the case at other London airports, where opportunities need to be grabbed or lost.
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Bearing in mind these former ZB bases were already close to full before. slack seems to have been picked up from operators already, so any further expansion plans, could bring it all back to SEN. Who knows?
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They couldn't be "fully loaded" but they wouldn't need to be going up to Oslo, Copenhagen etc. I guess the question is whether they could operate an -800 with 189 pax, a couple of hours fuel and some baggage in and out of SEN to those sorts of destinations. I don't know, but I know a rugby charter made it a couple of years back
No, the B738 cannot operate effectively from SEN due to its landing distance requirement. I think the inbound payload would be about 75 pax and even then careful fuel management would be needed to achieve that.
Could I just remind everyone that I said "... the planned operation possibly being postponed." So not necessarily all doom and gloom on that front.
Could I just remind everyone that I said "... the planned operation possibly being postponed." So not necessarily all doom and gloom on that front.
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I haven't been keeping an exact count, but I don't think the increases offered by Jet2 etc anywhere near matches the number of ZB flights lost. Hardly surprising: one of the reasons Monarch folded was that, looking forward, the UK-origin passenger market is looking very fragile as the economy virtually flatlines. A lot of business plans must have assumed continuing near double digit growth.
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I wasn't suggesting just Jet2, TCX and TUI(BY) have also added a lot of extras as well. Fr also stated they'd pick up the slack too. Just a shame SEN can't really support them
I wasn't suggesting just Jet2, TCX and TUI(BY) have also added a lot of extras as well. Fr also stated they'd pick up the slack too. Just a shame SEN can't really support them
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I wasn't suggesting just Jet2. That's why I added 'etc' to avoid listing all the possibilities. And of course upsizing the a/c eases pressure on slots. I still think that PAX growth is/may be very sluggish, but I have no inside knowledge. And those who do are unlikely to share it for commercial reasons.
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All the talk of 738 operators and SEN's runway always takes me back to the 2001 plan to extend the runway by 450 metres, moving St. Laurence Church - or more likely demolishing it. That died in 2002 when the church was granted Grade 1 listed status.
Stobart came along after 'Plan B' - a 300 metre extension was proposed by Regional Airports. Stobart understood the limitations but saw a future that involved niche freight and regional passenger services.
Easyjet came along and changed everything, and there are contributors to this thread who say their presence has been detrimental to the airport's prospects. Certainly, a lot of posters discuss whether another LCC can be persuaded to operate from SEN, and get frustrated about the many that cannot.
Really, Stobart have to back their original vision. I guess they're doing that right now.
Stobart came along after 'Plan B' - a 300 metre extension was proposed by Regional Airports. Stobart understood the limitations but saw a future that involved niche freight and regional passenger services.
Easyjet came along and changed everything, and there are contributors to this thread who say their presence has been detrimental to the airport's prospects. Certainly, a lot of posters discuss whether another LCC can be persuaded to operate from SEN, and get frustrated about the many that cannot.
Really, Stobart have to back their original vision. I guess they're doing that right now.
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For the timeline.
MON ceased ops 2.10.17.
One week later on 9.10.17 Post # 124 Expressflight wrote "that an important announcement maybe forthcoming within the next month".(With caveat).
Then on 10.10.17 Post #124 Tophat wrote "news of a new operator and the routes should be announced before Christmas".(Caveated).
Then on 11.10.17 Post #135 therefore a full 9 days after events..Tophat wrote again..
"I can tell you that the airline concerned is British,4 aircraft based,up to 20 destinations. But I think soon there will be an official announcement".(Caveated).
So events 9 days later it appears had had no material effect on Tophat`s predictions.
MON ceased ops 2.10.17.
One week later on 9.10.17 Post # 124 Expressflight wrote "that an important announcement maybe forthcoming within the next month".(With caveat).
Then on 10.10.17 Post #124 Tophat wrote "news of a new operator and the routes should be announced before Christmas".(Caveated).
Then on 11.10.17 Post #135 therefore a full 9 days after events..Tophat wrote again..
"I can tell you that the airline concerned is British,4 aircraft based,up to 20 destinations. But I think soon there will be an official announcement".(Caveated).
So events 9 days later it appears had had no material effect on Tophat`s predictions.
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Surely this demonstrates that SEN was a 2nd/3rd choice for said airline? It shows they'd much rather take on the ex-Monarch slots at LTN or LGW than expand their coverage from another airport (if Monarch's demise is the reason for the postponement)? Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh...
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It does seem, for now (or ever), that things are on hold regarding the "new operator" from SEN. Thinking back, I did wonder if the suggestion of 20 routes was a back-up plan just in case the current deal with FlyBe was to be terminated, for whatever reason. I failed to come up with 20 additional destinations, but Stobarts still predict there will be more routes to come in the future.
I did receive a couple of personal messages from people closely connected to SEN who felt I should not have surrendered such information at a stage when negotiations were taking place. One even suggested my words could harm the situation.
Unless the owners of all these factions actually log in and take notice of "rumours" on pprune, i doubt it, but of course staff may well be spies into all these plots.
I never named the airline concerned so doubt if I had a big effect on it all.
For now, this subject, and the visits by Wizzair to SEN, seem to have no immediate fruitition, but I am quietly (sic) confident SEN will be offering more routes for 2019.
I did receive a couple of personal messages from people closely connected to SEN who felt I should not have surrendered such information at a stage when negotiations were taking place. One even suggested my words could harm the situation.
Unless the owners of all these factions actually log in and take notice of "rumours" on pprune, i doubt it, but of course staff may well be spies into all these plots.
I never named the airline concerned so doubt if I had a big effect on it all.
For now, this subject, and the visits by Wizzair to SEN, seem to have no immediate fruitition, but I am quietly (sic) confident SEN will be offering more routes for 2019.
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Surely this demonstrates that SEN was a 2nd/3rd choice for said airline? It shows they'd much rather take on the ex-Monarch slots at LTN or LGW than expand their coverage from another airport (if Monarch's demise is the reason for the postponement)? Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh...
As far as I am aware, this has nothing to do with Monarch's demise.
Regarding the 'other matter' I wonder if the continued slowness of the Brexit negotiations finally caused them to put their plans on hold until some certainty is forthcoming. I can imagine a situation existing where negotiations had been going on for many months in the expectation that clarity would be provided on Brexit before the time to sign/announce the deal arrived. When this didn't happen perhaps a delay was thought prudent. Just a theory and again I have nothing definite to base it upon.