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Old 14th Apr 2018, 21:56
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Advertising a route to Chateauroux to the general public in Essex or London is likely to represent wasted money. Very few people in the UK have heard of the place, let alone would consider going there. IG Avion have for the last few years focussed on taking people in rural 'middle-of-nowhere' places in France with poor train connectivity to leisure destinations (Nice, Corsica, etc) for a holiday.

Marketing spend should be focussed almost entirely on those living in/near Chateauroux and possibly also Brits with a second home in France
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Old 14th Apr 2018, 22:49
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Southend also needs to address the fact that it is an 18 hour a day airport and not 24 hour. You only have to look at the arrivals boards of other London Airports to see that the Southend has another obstacle, ie 4 of easyJet’s 8 aircraft at Stansted are scheduled to arrive after midnight tonight.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 07:52
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
We know that Stobart talk about taking a modest and humble percentage of London's market. But they fail to mention that the majority of pax (2/3rd's?) fly on aircraft that cannot operate from the airport. This is a real game changer in terms of what needs to be achieved to meet the publicly stated targets Stobart have set.
So if Stobart tell you there's a huge catchment within 25 miles - divide it by 3. Because the other 2/3rd's are not available. And I would suggest that if you divide their 10 million pax pa ambition by 3 - you may get close to a figure that represents the airport's realistic potential.
All the above is true, although whether it is 2/3rd's of potential pax flying on aircraft unable to use SEN would need further research, but an airport's natural catchment (within 25 miles) is only half the story. A very much larger catchment exists outside of that and SEN's share will depend on such things as destinations offered, flight timings & frequency, price and the 'attractiveness' of SEN as a departure airport. This year sees many more destinations on offer, at very competitive prices (partly due to Stobart's strategy of concentrating on market penetration first) and SEN's perceived ease of use & lack of hassle. Those things should go some way to increasing SEN's share of their whole potential market.

Another thing that nearly always gets forgotten is that a large percentage of SEN's pax numbers will originate from many of the destinations airports' catchments. Why? Because SEN is marketed as, and perceived to be, a LON airport so a far larger number of pax will be inbound than would be the case otherwise. In a number of cases these pax will form the majority of the total traffic.

I agree that SEN will never attain 10mppa but it doesn't need to as anything above 4mppa should give Stobart a reasonable return and I cannot see why that figure should not be achievable.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 08:39
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Catchment..

But of course SEN`s natural catchment (within 25 miles) is also regarded as STN`s natural catchment of course & the much larger catchment mentioned & eyed is absolutely STN territory & not forgetting of course LCY.

Figures to back the statement that a large percentage of SEN`s pax numbers will originate from destination catchments would be interesting.

Only STK services would probably need to be considered in that equation of course.

Regarding "Stobart`s strategy of concentrating on market penetration first" is a nice sound bite but would I believe have most airline economists & commercial teams running for the hills.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:04
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Another thing that nearly always gets forgotten is that a large percentage of SEN's pax numbers will originate from many of the destinations airports' catchments. Why? Because SEN is marketed as, and perceived to be, a LON airport so a far larger number of pax will be inbound than would be the case otherwise. In a number of cases these pax will form the majority of the total traffic.
Sounds plausible, has anybody seen anything which confirms this is happening?

Regarding "Stobart`s strategy of concentrating on market penetration first" is a nice sound bite but would I believe have most airline economists & commercial teams running for the hills.
Offering loss-leader fares hasn't done RYR/EZY any harm. Stobart are also different in that they have both an airline and airport(s!) so can afford to take a complimentary strategy - speculate to accumulate!
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:18
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The same question as I ask regarding evidence of inbound originating pax...but I do not agree the original statement IS actually plausible in the SEN overall figure as claimed.

I regard RYR/EZY being world leaders in what is referred to above as "loss leader fares" & is/was their very very successful strategy but I do not regard the Stobart/STK effort in the same context I am afraid.

"Complimentary strategy"....I do admire anyway that phraseology... if not the real meaning behind it.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:22
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So what is the definition of success then for Southend? I would say it is already there. No doubt others would only class success as a bad passenger experience because the airport is crammed full.

I very much doubt that the airport hitting a sweet spot of passenger experience verses reasonable passenger numbers would satisfy the bulk of supporters here who would always wish for more flights and passengers what ever the cost.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:28
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So what is the definition of success then for Southend?
Easy - airline and airport making money in a sustainable way.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:40
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Easy - airline and airport making money in a sustainable way.
True, of course. Sad if the passenger experience is ignored or way down the list, but true nonetheless.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 11:16
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I see Titan B737-400 has been subchartered into SEN today. E195 broken again?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:00
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about time that plane was sent to the great scrap yard in the sky,,,,,who pays for the hire of the TITAN aircraft and crew ? STOBARTS OR FLYBE?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:17
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Cost of bringing in Titan is all down to Stobart. But don't worry, they've probably negotiated a substantial discount as a regular customer.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:52
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I wouldn't put a bet on that DC3 Dave knowing Titan, they drive a hard bargain. You want one of our aircraft you pay for it my boy!
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 15:43
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That 737-400 will see BA pax this summer. Nothing wrong with old aircraft for Titan's strategy-low utilisation but also low lease/purchase prices.

Assume Stobart pay-they have responsibility to operate the flight. Are the Embraers at SEN less reliable than elsewhere- we don't hear much about Cardiff/Doncaster/Exeter etc/.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 16:28
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It seems to be G-BFEF that's so unreliable. Must have been a Friday afternoon in Sao Jose dos Campos when they built that one.......
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 20:13
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A lot of angry people on social media as both today’s DUB flights ended up being cancelled, the first one occurring after pax had already been delayed 3+ hours. All 4 flights were pretty full as well. The unreliability of that aircraft is becoming an issue.

It wasn’t such a problem when the spare ATR was around, now all aircraft are being fully utilised the cracks are showing.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 20:42
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If this one particular aircaft is a bit of a dog, why can't they withdraw it for one week, stick it in an engineering hangar and fix it? Is it engines, electronics, ?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 21:29
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is it down to Stobart or flybe to get this plane fixed?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 22:15
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Lease some nice new C-series Stobart..........
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 00:28
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Until June, it's Flybe
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