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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 07:40
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Expressflight. I don't think you looked too hard. This search took 20 seconds. Latest report dated today but it takes I few days for reports to be published so could well be the 19th.
https://www.airlinequality.com/airpo...thend-airport/
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 08:53
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Hello PitR's, some time since we exchanged views.
Thanks for finding that item; could well have been last Friday although you're somewhat harsh criticising me for not finding something that has just been posted don't you think? That poster's comments reference the trains are particular pertinent and perhaps an even bigger problem at present. I see that SEN had a message on the website over the weekend asking pax to ensure their liquids are put into the appropriate plastic bag and that electronic devices are ready for inspection at Security. I understand they have recently appointed a new Head of Security so hopefully things will improve.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 14:54
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Early and Late Trains

The Greater Anglia website now has a timetable valid from 19th May 2019.
This shows that from early September there is a departure from Liverpool Street at 04:30 arriving SEN at 05:17 (slightly later dep LST some days and excludes Sundays) with a stop at Stratford only. There is also a departure from SEN at 23:59 every day arriving Liverpool Street at 00:55 with stops at Shenfield and Stratford only. I assume that September is the earliest date from which this service can start due to the current ongoing line renewals/maintenance.

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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:02
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@ExpressFlight - there might be possibility I may use SEN one or two times very shortly and potentially over the next bank holiday weekend too.

I am happy to capture more info, date/time stamped pics so you can see for yourself the queues beginning at the top of the escalator.

What will be helpful will be for SEN to install two lanes starting at the top of the escalator, one marked as Fast Track Security, the other marked as Regular Track Security.

At the moment pax don't see the signs for Fast Track until you arrive up at the boarding bass readers before entering the security scanning area.

Also, give pax the option to purchase fast track security tickets from 2 or 3 ticket vending machines in the terminal - revenue generation!

Also, allow pax to purchase a fast track security pass online at any time so people can use their mobile devices to buy online and walk straight up to Fast Track there and then.

Finally, at seriously peaked times, all scanner lanes should be open and staffed fully.

I did notice a lot of dumb pax rocking up to the scanners as if their first time in an airport, stuffing liquids, gels, pastes in carry on luggage, questioning need to remove baggy jumpers, boots, and the like.

There needs to be staff manning the queue to shout out belts off, jackets, off, hats off, laptops out, liquids, gels, pastes in see through sealed bag, blah, blah, blah. People do not listen and then freak when delays occur because some idiots rock up with their heads up their arse.

Also, you need staff removing empty bins on rollers, I saw three lanes completely clogged up with bins whilst secondary screening staff tried to work through the flagged items for a secondary check. Again, no matter how many times you ask people, very few have an ounce of smarts to physically place their empty in the stacker.

Its these really simple adjustments all add up to a well lubricated throughput. I know it's not easy, but I'm sorry, most people seem to become difficult to manage when they enter an airport security check.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:16
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Expressflight: that's great news on the train front.
M3B: some good practical suggestions there.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:18
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Residents in Wells Avenue adjacent to taxiway Charlie are revolting.

First carried by local papers the story has now been taken & featured by all the daily National`s.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:33
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Your suggestions make a lot of sense and I'll pass them on appropriately.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:43
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Residents in Wells Avenue adjacent to taxiway Charlie are revolting.

First carried by local papers the story has now been taken & featured by all the daily National`s.
I'd happily buy their house if they can't live with reverse thrust.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 17:54
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Residents in Wells Avenue adjacent to taxiway Charlie are revolting.

First carried by local papers the story has now been taken & featured by all the daily National`s.
We can always rely on SSB to glom onto any bad stories about other airports. Perhaps you should have done more research to find out the full back story to this woman's family...the fact that someone in her family worked on the airport and was made redundant. That they have made 500 complaints to the airport in 2 months. They have a grudge. The fact that SEN has been a fully licensed commercial airport since 1935, and she moved into that property 7 years ago says it all.
Get a grip and take responsibility for your own decisions.
I don't like traffic noise, so why would I buy a house next to the M25 and then complain?
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking View Post

We can always rely on SSB to glom onto any bad stories about other airports. Perhaps you should have done more research to find out the full back story to this woman's family...the fact that someone in her family worked on the airport and was made redundant. That they have made 500 complaints to the airport in 2 months. They have a grudge. The fact that SEN has been a fully licensed commercial airport since 1935, and she moved into that property 7 years ago says it all.
Get a grip and take responsibility for your own decisions.
I don't like traffic noise, so why would I buy a house next to the M25 and then complain?
Can we have links to both the original story and also PlaneSpeaking's research? Whilst I appreciate this is a rumour network and rumours are not always verifiable there does seems to be underlying sources for both sides of this story.

I have heard (no pun intended) anecdotal evidence that the Ryanair flights are noisier both on take-off and landing than the easyJet operations. Maybe it is the introduction of FR ops that has caused residents to increase their complaints. Also bear in mind that residents had until March 2019 to apply for compensation due to noise pollution. Did the FR ops only start in April for a reason?
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 18:16
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https://inews.co.uk/news/environment...g-past-garden/
“We have recorded and investigated over 430 individual complaints and found that in every case, the aircraft concerned was operating normally, legitimately and within the Airports operating framework.
This is is airport speak for tough we don't care and the law is an ass for residents as airport workers are protected by law while they are not.

I live a mile away from Luton and that is bad enough. I would expect noise levels to hit illegal limits if she is that close to the runway and was working without ear protection. Airport staff would be mandated to wear ear protection yet she is expected to just get on with her life that has been blighted by expansion that she could have not been expected to have predicted.


https://www.tuc.org.uk/sites/default...oiseatwork.pdf

A jet aircraft taking off 25 metres away will be 140 dB(A)
If the daily noise level reaches 85dB(A), the law says that ear protection must not only be provided, it must be worn.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 18:33
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I smell compensation culture creeping in.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 18:37
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The back story whether relevant or not will not be apparent to the readers of the Nationals I would hazard & that was the significance of my post,that is has been picked up big style.

I read the property history & woman`s story slightly differently it appears.

Hardly a "grudge" perhaps...have you watched the video!.

The airport operator do appear dismissive though I must admit & in terms of corporate relations & media response seem lacking.

Best perhaps contact the Telegraph/Mirror et al with the "real" story.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 18:43
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Compensation culture!!..she is very welcome.

Perhaps I should have written have you listened to the video!.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 19:03
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The distance from the house to the runway centreline is about 150m. "A jet aircraft taking off 25m away will be 140 dB(A)" you quoted, but that's obviously a very crude measurement. Is that for a BAC 1-11 or an A320neo? - quite a difference between the two so the actual noise would have to be measured for it to mean anything. Maybe one of the newspapers could pay for that to be done for a start. I can fully appreciate that the family finds the noise very intrusive but it's certainly true that they MUST have known it would be before moving in - especially as it's alleged that both husband and wife worked for ATC Lasham at SEN.
Their main gripe seems to be that aircraft using Taxiway Charlie causes them most annoyance, yet that has been in use since the late 1950s. The only time it wasn't used by A320-sized aircraft was for a period of perhaps 12 months, maybe two years ago, when it suffered instability problems; after that it was rebuilt and put back into regular use. I really do find it difficult to feel sympathy with their attitude.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 19:46
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Perhaps install noise abatement screens along all private dwellings abutting the airfield at Wells Ave & Avro Rd which are closest to TWY C.

Although, don't be surprised is alleged compainants allege violations to right to light.

I'd sooner let a case run through the courts and takes your chances. At the end of the day, there are mitigating factors in this situation. Airfield predates dwellings. Private resident occupants who allegedly are the source of a complaint, seem to have entered into a wilful decision to purchase and reside at the property in full knowledge of proximity to an active commercial airport. Additionally, it's alleged they worked at said airfield. Legally is a closed book. Run a case, set precedent, move on.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 21:06
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Admire the faith in the legal system...a good brief could argue the complaints have only arisen this Summer...over intensification for what is basically a 1935 site.

Anyways end result bad publicity for the airport operator & the airport industry in general.

Stobart may well have to do what other operators have done in their own locales & purchase the properties...cheaper than litigation & portrays mindfulness & being a good neighbour.
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 21:17
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Whatever the rights and wrongs - the airport operator should have seen this coming (like the queues on a Bank Holiday)
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 21:52
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Yes they have no reason to complain with aircraft at the holding point waiting for several minutes with their engines facing homes just metres away. Any other UK airports like this? Don't think so!

Being serous for just a minute this isn't a great location for an airport but one day if the airport got really busy no doubt compulsory purchase orders would be served to get rid of those house for a parallel taxiway. The right thing to do is to offer those homes market value now, if they don't want to move then their complaint will be diminished.

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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 22:44
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Not in my back yard! Who was there first. Sure Viscounts would have been more noisy.
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