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How, exactly, could have this been prevented?
SEN is not the only airport that its local residents object to by any means. Drew Primary School in Docklands is situated around 150m from the stands at LCY. They claim their kids are affected by the air quality. Don't forget LHR. When the 3rd runway works commence Boris will be laying in the path of the bulldozers on behalf of all the great unwashed.
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SEN is not the only airport that its local residents object to by any means. Drew Primary School in Docklands is situated around 150m from the stands at LCY. They claim their kids are affected by the air quality. Don't forget LHR. When the 3rd runway works commence Boris will be laying in the path of the bulldozers on behalf of all the great unwashed.
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The local newspaper that is publishing the features now has a follow up & in another cheque book waving exercise according to the above post has interviews now with more residents all with very similar tales of how they are affected.
Funnily enough in the very same edition the local rag is carrying the Business Park development story which appears to be written in a very positive manner so perhaps no agenda on their behalf as alluded.
Totally totally shocked that it could be assumed newspapers might pay for stories.
It is though a nice little earner for the local paper in syndicating their copy around the world.
If it gets movement from local politicians the council & the airport operator then it is effective publishing notwithstanding that failing of PR & foresight & mindfulness from Stobart.
Funnily enough in the very same edition the local rag is carrying the Business Park development story which appears to be written in a very positive manner so perhaps no agenda on their behalf as alluded.
Totally totally shocked that it could be assumed newspapers might pay for stories.
It is though a nice little earner for the local paper in syndicating their copy around the world.
If it gets movement from local politicians the council & the airport operator then it is effective publishing notwithstanding that failing of PR & foresight & mindfulness from Stobart.
If they want to defuse the situation somewhat they could make Charlie 2 (more than 200m East of Charlie 1) the holding point for aircraft queuing for a 05 departure. That would make hardly any impact on runway occupancy times but then they may not be keen to give any ground for fear of demands for more.
Having been peripherally involved in an organisation where an issue has gone viral, SEN might find it is living with the "noisy, smelly airport" for a while - newspapers might be next weeks chip wrappings but the internet has a loooong memory.
What could have been done - my point is, looking at a map it should be obvious there was going to be an issue, so what was done?
Changes to holding points would be a start, but why wasn't it done earlier? Looking at the articles on the web, there's a chainlink fence - no earthworks or blast fence?
400 odd complaints, all get the response "the aircraft concerned was operating normally, legitimately and within the Airports operating framework" and nobody spots a problem?
The airport is only going to get busier, so the problems isn't going away - somebody needs to get a grip and start managing.
How, exactly, could have this been prevented?
Changes to holding points would be a start, but why wasn't it done earlier? Looking at the articles on the web, there's a chainlink fence - no earthworks or blast fence?
400 odd complaints, all get the response "the aircraft concerned was operating normally, legitimately and within the Airports operating framework" and nobody spots a problem?
they may not be keen to give any ground for fear of demands for more.
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The fact of the matter is the extension to the west was probably never meant to happen in the original airfield layout of years gone by and this is clearly borne out by the houses/church almost touching the runway. Homes being 40m or so from the charlie taxiway is incredibly close and surprised this was allowed to stay with plans for the expansion back in 2011. What is done is done although my recommendation would have been to relocate charlie further east of its existing location to mitigate these issues. What is clear is that any further expansion of the airport will be even more closely scrutinised and I personally don't believe the airfield has the geographical size to accommodate any further traffic, it is space limited and problems would then revolve around backtracking issues etc so the target of 10mppa is way off and likely never to happen!
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The fact of the matter is the extension to the west was probably never meant to happen in the original airfield layout of years gone by and this is clearly borne out by the houses/church almost touching the runway. Homes being 40m or so from the charlie taxiway is incredibly close and surprised this was allowed to stay with plans for the expansion back in 2011. What is done is done although my recommendation would have been to relocate charlie further east of its existing location to mitigate these issues. What is clear is that any further expansion of the airport will be even more closely scrutinised and I personally don't believe the airfield has the geographical size to accommodate any further traffic, it is space limited and problems would then revolve around backtracking issues etc so the target of 10mppa is way off and likely never to happen!
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This is no PR disaster, the airport name and Ryanair images are being emblazoned inside the minds of the the entire UK population. This is worth millions in awareness building.
Secondly there is little 'real' sympathy to anyone living SO close to an airport.
Secondly there is little 'real' sympathy to anyone living SO close to an airport.
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Shamrock7seal: Got it in one! But the knockers love it because they can bury the good news about the extra early/late train, a previous point to knock the airport on.
I do have sympathy for the families. living next to a sleepy airport that got planning to expand and re opening a taxiway that leaves them with serious noise blight is a very bad break and morally needs to be put right either by discontinuing the use of the offending taxiway, providing noise bunds or offering to purchase the property at a price that covers the complete costs associated with the move.
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I do have sympathy for the families. living next to a sleepy airport that got planning to expand and re opening a taxiway that leaves them with serious noise blight is a very bad break and morally needs to be put right either by discontinuing the use of the offending taxiway, providing noise bunds or offering to purchase the property at a price that covers the complete costs associated with the move.
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I'm afraid I don't have sympathy with those residents, it was their choice to move within yards of the boundary of a fully licensed commercial airport. It's not rocket science.
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Does anyone believe there are people out there, about to book their next flight to the Costas, who will be inclined to rule out Southend Airport because of the recent publicity?
It's all the other matters usually debated here, such as queues through security, transport links, destinations and times will be the factors that influence choice.
It's all the other matters usually debated here, such as queues through security, transport links, destinations and times will be the factors that influence choice.
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No one here should have to explain/defend the SEN position that should be the responsibility of the airport operator.That they have not is the reason for virtually all the comment & continued comment here.
It does not perhaps stop people booking but in future it might hamper the numbers & volume of flights on offer now the affair is out in the open & politicians councils & lobbyists may feel able to hijack the agenda.
It does not perhaps stop people booking but in future it might hamper the numbers & volume of flights on offer now the affair is out in the open & politicians councils & lobbyists may feel able to hijack the agenda.