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Old 31st Oct 2018, 14:29
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Stobart Air to Operate Routes From London City Under BA CityFlyer Brand
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 14:42
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Where are they getting the aircraft from? They currently have E195’s which cannot operate into LCY.
The article says Nordic Aviation Capital. Same as LOT who recently announced they are leasing four - two of which will fly into LCY from WAW and BUD.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:05
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Originally Posted by irishlad06
Where are they getting the aircraft from? They currently have E195’s which cannot operate into LCY.
Two E190s previously operated by Virgin Australia will be delivered to Stobart Air, one imminently I believe and the other reportedly in February 2019.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:14
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So Stobart has come to the conclusion that its aircraft can't make money flying out of Southend?
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It certainly appears a slap in the face for SEN doesn`t it.

May also deprive a SEN resident Jota with a lot of income flying for CFE from the City too.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:35
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
It certainly appears a slap in the face for SEN doesn`t it.

May also deprive a SEN resident Jota with a lot of income flying for CFE from the City too.
There is a German word for it SSB... 'schadenfreude'.. Obtaining pleasure from other's discomfort. One can almost hear you rubbing your hands together! SEN is growing and will keep growing, but it has it's own market and can never compete with your beloved STN. So show a bit of generosity because for some of us your continuing downer on other airports is becoming rather tedious.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:49
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Purely pointing out the tangled web the Stobart Empire weave & the contradictions that may result.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:56
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Anything to do with boardroom squabbling or just bottom-line economics? *ponders*
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Can't really see why this is any form of slight towards SEN. I don't know the full details but these must be routes that BA wish to operate and Stobart have secured a (I assume) valuable contract to provide a full ACMI service. Had Stobart not done so someone else would have.

So BA have plans to expand at LCY. Well, nothing SEN can do could prevent that. And it isn't as if Stobart have pulled aircraft out of Essex to work for BA. Clearly, they have sourced the aircraft specifically for this work alone.

​​​​​​And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 18:51
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Can't really see why this is any form of slight towards SEN. I don't know the full details but these must be routes that BA wish to operate and Stobart have secured a (I assume) valuable contract to provide a full ACMI service. Had Stobart not done so someone else would have.

So BA have plans to expand at LCY. Well, nothing SEN can do could prevent that. And it isn't as if Stobart have pulled aircraft out of Essex to work for BA. Clearly, they have sourced the aircraft specifically for this work alone.

​​​​​​And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN.
Exactly Stobart is not going to compete against itself. There are opportunities and synergy....new financial streams and growth at SEN at minimal cost makes economic sense. We shall see!!
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 19:20
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
​​​​​​And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN.
Interesting thought, now that there is a stronger commercial relationship between BA and Stobart perhaps previous interest might be revived.
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What's happened to the Paderborn flights? Were they not due to be up and running by now? Nothing on the arrival/departure boards.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 07:40
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer
What's happened to the Paderborn flights? Were they not due to be up and running by now? Nothing on the arrival/departure boards.
I believe 6th Nov
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Thanks tophat. Initially I think it was October 30th and they are actually shown on FR24's site but they do seem to get things wrong occasionally.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 08:35
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer
Thanks tophat. Initially I think it was October 30th and they are actually shown on FR24's site but they do seem to get things wrong occasionally.
Yes. Start up is delayed one week for some reason. Never rely on FR24 for schedules. Refer only to the Southend Airport website. ( I see Jota have a passenger charter flight out to Poland later).
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Interesting that reality is portrayed as a "continuing downer" on here.

Reality suggests 40 further positions being created at LCY by the latest Stobart venture.

Positive & welcome news.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 09:21
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I hadn't seen a commencement date previously for the Stobart E190 LCY operations but the Stobart LSE statement issued this morning says 16th November. Than sounds rather sooner than I would have anticipated.
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
I see Jota have a passenger charter flight out to Poland later.
I see that Jota have operated freight flights from Bratislava and Gyor into SEN over the past two days. It's good to see them providing additional traffic for SEN.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 09:34
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
Never rely on FR24 for schedules. Refer only to the Southend Airport website
I see FR24 is also recording IG Avion as operating, and at a new time, so it must at some point have been planned. Perhaps it’s based on slot allocations or other such data.

Ironically the final month of Chateauroux was its strongest, although an average of 15 pax isn’t great.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 09:54
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Ironically the final month of Chateauroux was its strongest, although an average of 15 pax isn’t great.
That is the problem with a small operator starting a previously unserved route. In its first season unless they have the finance to promote and market it sufficiently beforehand it will struggle. I suspect very few of the passengers were of UK domicile as they simply wouldn't have found the route unless they entered 'Chateauroux' in an online travel portal and that they would be unlikely to do unless that small city was their specific destination.
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