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Old 6th Oct 2020, 16:20
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Certainly at BHX , the Airport figures being quoted are a lot higher than actual figures. Have seen huge numbers of cancellations on Turkish routes in the last few days alone
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 16:32
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The official figures are out together with a breakdown of passenger types. 820,828 is indeed the figure so have the CAA got it wrong?

https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...3134fa61a5.pdf


Please note that these figures exclude infants and may differ from other published statistics.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 17:19
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BHX figures are always in line with the CAA ones
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 05:43
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Originally Posted by boeing_eng View Post
Manx.....There is plenty to criticise when it comes to the current shenanigans between LLA and the Council. It needs fully exposing and occasionally there will be duplication of info. If it doesn't interest you then ignore the posts (but to imply an intolerance to a certain message content on a forum like this is basically censorship) I rarely post on the subject, but as a local resident and a 30+ year airport worker I feel very strongly about the current situation and the way its being handled by LBC!
Ok, so you agree with me that there's plenty to criticise. I'm interested to see what's going on at the airport. Nobody is suggesting censorship of any points, what a bizarre conclusion to have drawn. The point is that the specific point has already been made multiple times. When somebody posts a comment and then slips in an otherwise unrelated paragraph at the end of the post that just repeats that the council is doing X and the locals are impacted by Y but using a different order of words, what's that adding? I'm sure we all want to read more and see the issue exposed, but it's difficult to ignore so much frequent repetition of the same point - it becomes unreadable.

That approach is now starting to copied by somebody randomly throwing unrelated comments about "spotters" (I assume, they think that to not want repetition in debate is somehow the sign of being a spotter though I would have thought anyone spending days watching plane at Luton will be exposed to multiple easyJet and Wizz and so they're quite open to a bit of repetition). It's a bit like how political debate has now been reduced to people just labelling/dismissing others as 'left' or 'right' so they don't have to actually engage their brain in an adult conversation.

Anyway, apologies for derailing this thread further. I haven't worked into Luton for many a year but have been rather amazed at how much its visibly changed since the last time that I did. And if I can't see the wood for the trees in the content of the typed comments, the photo updates are nonetheless of real interest and I'll return just to check for those.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 06:00
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I missed this report from June. Seems the new Luton Airport Express train service, which continues on to Corby has been put back until May 2021. It was meant to start in December.

https://www.harborough-rail.org.uk/h...ory/timetables

Also noticed last week that the Dart trackbed now has a dedicated tracked two car yellow maintenance vehicle running on it that is being used for trackside work. The vehicle looks like a self powered trolly with a cab and trailer.

Other old Dart news that I don’t remember reporting regards the Council now becoming a transport operator.
Transport and Works Act Order

Construction of the Luton DART continues to make progress. LLAL is now submitting an application for a Transport and Works Act Order to the Department for Transport for its consideration.

This Order is seeking powers that will enable LLAL to safely and efficiently run the service after construction is complete. Examples of the powers being sought include – dealing with bad behaviour, working with the police, the ability to issue tickets and levy penalty fares, and prevention relating to bringing dangerous items onto the DART.
LLAL claim they have no staff with the Council providing the management for LLAL. Does this mean this will change next year with LLAL employing staff directly? I don’t think so.

Does it mean the Council will provide the staff? Again unlikely.

Will the existing Thameslink staff operating the shuttle bus be subject to a Tupe? Don’t know.

Will LLAL put out the staff required to tender so it is staffed by a third party company? Very likely, so expect more zero hour minimum wage contracts at the airport, as the work will go out to the bidder with the lowest staff costs.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 12:56
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CAPA reporting today

London Luton Airport launches consultation on changes to annual passenger capacity

Behind paid firewall so cannot see detail. The +18M pax limit I assume.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 13:06
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
CAPA reporting today

London Luton Airport launches consultation on changes to annual passenger capacity

Behind paid firewall so cannot see detail. The +18M pax limit I assume.
Wouldn’t think this relevant or worthwhile at present!
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 13:34
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This is exactly the time to try to raise the capacity limit. Apart from the most emphatic of protesters, most locals will give this less attention than they would otherwise, thinking that more flights won't happen for years and thus not worth getting involved in the fight
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 13:41
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This is exactly the time to try to raise the capacity limit. Apart from the most emphatic of protesters, most locals will give this less attention than they would otherwise, thinking that more flights won't happen for years and thus not worth getting involved in the fight
Agreed. When the public is looking the other way, they are less likely to object vociferously.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 14:13
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Let’s make one thing clear, it doesn’t matter if the entire population of the UK wrote in and objected it would still get passed, which makes the so called consultation a total farce and an affront to the democratic process. The Council has already publicly stated they want 32 million passengers so this is just part of that process, which the Council will decide themselves.

Supporters and objectors alike should just do nothing, as writing in will make no difference to the outcome. I can even tell you now how the vote will go, even down to the actual votes and who will vote for and against.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 15:02
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Manoeuvres in the dark of course.

Luton Council attempting to add paper value to the real estate...(as with most airports in the South)

Perhaps will take more though to escape the financial & legal quagmire the airport is in.

Without having to rehearse all the reasonings again if the proposal is for 32m the decision making process will/would be taken out of Council hands.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 16:14
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The consultation and application is being put in by the airport operator ( LLAOL) and not the airport owner (LLAL) but have no doubt who is pulling the strings.

I have had a 2 minute read and found this bizarre claim.

Our proposals to increase passenger numbers to 19mppa will not require any physical development. It will be achieved through operational changes such as updates to flight schedules and noise contours at the airport
So they don't intend to provide any extra overnight stands? Let's remember that in normal times there are no spare stands and LLAOL have already announced plans to build another 6 pack apron and alter the run up bay for 2 extra stands. Regarding the overcrowded terminal, which is often standing room only, I have seen the outline plans for a terminal extension running at a 45 degree angle at the front of the terminal and have published them here I think last year.

Honesty is something that doesn't comes easy at Luton, as there will be two more applications to increase the total to either 22million or 22.5 million passengers, as that is the latest calculation that has been made as the true capacity of the CTA. Remember that 12m, 16m and 18m have already been stated as the airports maximum capacity within its existing boundary. The increases are being calculated by reducing the passenger comfort level with extreme amounts of overcrowding planned. The terminal extension is very modest, as the bus station will not be moved. It will add a few more check-in desks but I have not seen any plans to add baggage belts or increase the immigration hall, which are located at the back of the terminal. If the statement about no physical development is true then the terminal extension will go in at around 20m with the airport drip feeding modest applications to avoid a possible DCO for the CTA so they can approve their own applications.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 17:23
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My own conjecture was based on the previously mentioned figure of 32mppa.
The above then is a very modest squeezing of facilities or more evidently of the passengers.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 17:41
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32mppa is with T2, 22.5mppa is still only using existing T1
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 18:00
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32mppa/T2 a distant planning & pre Covid dream.
T1 ? being THE terminal then with a modest squeeze excepting perhaps a larger one on the suffering customer.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 18:02
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Only expansion outside the boundary will be part of the DCO excluding the dual carriageway to a second terminal, which was sneaked in via an unrelated application by LLAL and will be funded directly by the Council and not LLAL except they have no money. As can be seen some applications come from the concessionaire (LLAOL) while others come via the airport owner (LLAL). As I said a few posts back all three, including the Council, are as thick as thieves.

32mppa/T2 a distant planning & pre Covid dream
Even that figure is BS as the true figure is 36m and always has been. It was only reduced to save the cost of upgrading the M1. If they get planning permission for 32m they will eventually put in an application to bring it back to 36m so avoiding a bill for the M1.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 18:12
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"When the tide goes out"...as Mr Buffet famously said.

Perhaps the whole shebang is in great danger of being caught out financially & politically now the good times are over.
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 06:05
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Ok I have made a mistake in my claim that the airports true figure was 36 million passengers and not 32 million so I apologise. It was actually up to 38 million as LLAL forgot to remove this old press release.

https://www.llal.org.uk/press-release.html

Under the London Luton Airport (LTN) Vision for Sustainable Growth 2020-2050, passenger capacity would go from 18 million to 36-38 mppa
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Chuckles...
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 22:19
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Perhaps the whole shebang is in great danger of being caught out financially & politically now the good times are over.

We can only hope!....scrutiny isn't a word LLAL & LBC even come close to understanding!
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