Monarch 4

[MKY661]

First (or maybe second) aircraft moved. G-ZBAR Positioned LBA-SNN.

[USERNAME_]

What are the chances of us seeing the Monarch name back again with the iconic livery??

[dude1882]

Was all the Fleet leased in the end?

[MKY661]

All of it's fleet are leased yes, though G-ZBAR was a dry lease from Air Malta so I'm assuming this has gone back already as they will want it back.

[Miskin]

"deserting rats ship a sinking" - rearrange into a well known phrase or saying.
Monarch boss set up new firm on same day doomed airline plunged into administration - Daily Record

[Jonty]

Originally Posted by rog747

lol you believe Chris grayling OMG ..... and as for random - i have been in the (mostly holiday) airline business since 1972 - i think i know a wee bit - and I worked for Monarch as well

my example of CAA re-pat plans using thomas cook as an example was just that -- an example
so wind your neck in ta ever so -

If you have been around since 1972 then you should know what ATOL is for, and the fact that nothing Monarch sold since September last year is ATOL covered.

So that makes you old and wrong

[Matey]

Thomson opening recruitment

The following is extracted from an email to TOM pilots from the Plot Manager responsible for recruitment:

"We are advertising for all Type Rated Positions as well as Non Type Rated.

External Comms Campaign Link: https://goo.gl/bPkzk4

An additional link is also being created & will be sent to the Monarch HR & Outplacement Support Team shortly later today.

A number of you have emailed me today re Monarch friends who are TR but very low hour (our criteria is 330 hrs on Type) – please advise them to apply through the Type Rated Link. If they don’t have a 75/76/73 or 787 TR they MUST apply as Non Type Rated

Hope this is helpful, Kathryn"

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Jonty

If you have been around since 1972 then you should know what ATOL is for, and the fact that nothing Monarch sold since September last year is ATOL covered.

So that makes you old and wrong

you really are a specimen - unable to comment respectfully and are a know it all here in this matter -- can you not debate or answer without such disdain in your tone, do you speak to your fellow crew that you have never met before like that?

I'm fully aware of what ATOL is - a past chairman is an old pal of mine and that of AITO as well

in this very sad time where 1000's of ex colleagues are now without jobs your silly attitude is not helpful nor is it to witness -

I do not have to explain myself to you - I know full well as to how this operation is running and will be funded

[renort]

Originally Posted by Jonty

If you have been around since 1972 then you should know what ATOL is for, and the fact that nothing Monarch sold since September last year is ATOL covered.

So that makes you old and wrong

Quite an allegation you're making there. You're saying that not one single Monarch package holiday sold since Sep 2016 has been covered by an ATOL...?

[G-CPTN]

Recent history.

January 2015:- Polo-playing Monarch chief Andrew Swaffield rides to the rescue.

[Midland Alpha9]

Originally Posted by rog747

you really are a specimen - unable to comment respectfully and are a know it all here in this matter -- can you not debate or answer without such disdain in your tone, do you speak to your fellow crew that you have never met before like that?

I'm fully aware of what ATOL is - a past chairman is an old pal of mine and that of AITO as well

in this very sad time where 1000's of ex colleagues are now without jobs your silly attitude is not helpful nor is it to witness -

I do not have to explain myself to you - I know full well as to how this operation is running and will be funded

Well stated Capt Rog 747 upstarts comes to mind you are of a fine vintage with vast experience and a vast knowledge of the business:

[rog747]

Thank you kind sir, I'm sure Jonty is just having a bad hair day

how are you old chap
sadly Clive my pal ex BY and late of VS clubhouse at LHR passed away in April did i tell you?

- trust you are well - we must catch up again soon - its a year this Saturday since the bloody BMA LHR reunion what larks eh!

oh BTW next year 2018 is 40 years for us lot joining - shall we do it all again for old times sake?

Best as always ROG

[rog747]

Originally Posted by renort

Quite an allegation you're making there. You're saying that not one single Monarch package holiday sold since Sep 2016 has been covered by an ATOL...?

packages have but not flight onlys since DEC 2016

[beardy]

Rog747

my example of CAA re-pat plans using thomas cook as an example was just that -- an example
so wind your neck in ta ever so -

It's a poorly chosen example, there was no need to name any operator, and the timing you quoted is out by quite a few years.

[rhutch28]

G-ZBAL now on final approach to Dublin airport

[Jonty]

Originally Posted by rog747

packages have but not flight onlys since DEC 2016

And packages only covered about 5% of Monarchs passengers.

As for the air travel trust, I suggest you read the second paragraph of this link:

http://http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/288632/monarch-failure-government-to-pay-bulk-of-repatriation-costs

The government will be picking up the cost not the trust. You may have known how things were done in the past, this is not the case now.

So you obviously don’t know how this operation is running or how it will be funded. Many people have lost their jobs out of this, but while who picks up the tab is a complete irrelevance we may as well be as accurate as possible.

One suggests you stick to reunions at LHR.

[Jonty]

Originally Posted by beardy

Rog747


It's a poorly chosen example, there was no need to name any operator, and the timing you quoted is out by quite a few years.

Quite.

The ignorance of this person in this regard leads me to question wether any of the information he has provided can be relied upon.

[student88]

From the UK CAAs twitter feed:

UK CAA‏ @UK_CAA 1h1 hour ago
Spotted one of our rescue flights? Let us know by tweeting us a picture. #Monarch

Unbelievable.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by southside bobby

Racedo.......The key word I feel in your reply is "time"...how much time would it be fair to spend to address problems some of which in the v harsh world & in bad dreams be anticipated,but certainly game planned on a wet afternoon..
This is taught I would feel in management school as would such a thing as business damage control,however harsh the answer or outcome.
Are you seriously considering a £100mill + projected loss was only noticed this week?..

Nope it would have been forcast long before that however they were attempting to sell off parts of the business to other airlines and salvage something. Likely there was a runt of it that would close no matter what.

What they found was nobody interested as Monarch became a "desperate seller" so why bother when it has nothing of value aside from slots which you may pick up cheaply from receiver.

Airlines can pick and chose staff without worrying they were inheriting their pensions or rights under TUPE or inheriting any big potential liabilities like pensions or length of sevice or business liabilities like leases.

[old,not bold]

As I recall it from the time, a long while ago, that with a partner I set up a ski holiday business, the ATOL bond placed (or insured) by a package tour operator is a proportionate contribution to the funds available for rescuing clients when a Tour Operator fails, but is not anywhere near the turnover of the operator providing the bond, simply because not every tour operator is expected to fail. It's exactly the same principle as insurance. I can see no reason why the CAA should not, could not, or would not, pay for the recovery of those Monarch clients covered by the ATOL bond.