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Old 10th Mar 2016, 12:26
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Fraid NCL-BHD is a gonner:
flybe confirms Belfast City - Newcastle service cancelation - Aviation Tribune | Aviation News | Airline News
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 13:05
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This route had some connection to a NHS deal, similar to IOM-LPL, i wonder what will happen now? On another note BHD-LPL is slowly picking up with passenger numbers
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Old 10th Mar 2016, 14:26
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Rather than cancel LPL-BHD would it not make more sense to bring it back to 3 daily flights?
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 13:00
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Originally Posted by cumbrianboy View Post
Rather than cancel LPL-BHD would it not make more sense to bring it back to 3 daily flights?
And just to confound everyone, Winter LPL - BHD weekday rotations increase from the current 5 per day to 6 per day with weekend increases also.
Isle of Man remains at the current higher schedule of 4 per day, whilst Edinburgh remains in the schedule at daily.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 19:55
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G-FBEJ EMB195 NOW IN NEW CLRS
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 21:43
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Looks good, think they look better with something else on them to break up the purple, otherwise it's far to much on them
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Old 30th Mar 2016, 21:02
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Flybe codeshare with Virgin Atlantic announced covering the following routes:


Manchester:
Aberdeen Amsterdam Belfast City Paris Düsseldorf Edinburgh Knock Exeter Hannover Jersey Milan Newquay Rotterdam Southampton


Glasgow:
Belfast City Birmingham Cardifff East Midlands Southampton


Gatwick:
Newquay
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 12:40
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MAG are reporting 18 destinations will tie up with new code share ex Manchester.
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Old 31st Mar 2016, 12:54
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MAG are reporting 18 destinations will tie up with new code share.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 02:33
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Flybe is weighing up plans to challenge British Airways’ monopoly on domestic flights from Heathrow. According to this article in today's Sunday Times.

Flybe lands at Heathrow to take on BA | The Sunday Times
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 07:24
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Can't see it myself as things currently stand at LHR.


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Old 10th Apr 2016, 08:52
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No alliance, could get random terminal, not great aircraft size availability, poor reliability in the industry, possibly cherry pick Edinburgh only... mmm interesting. Though theyve bumped up LCY domestic a fair bit when some said that wouldnt last.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 09:24
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could get random terminal, not great aircraft size availability, poor reliability in the industry,
Only T2 has requisite domestic/Eire gates for anyone but BA.

They still have some Emb195 frames perfectly acceptable for Edinburgh and Aberdeen , remember Manchester wasn't part of the remedial deal.

Virgin rarely got stratospheric loads with the Aer Lingus 320 did they !

They could also do Nice at a pinch under remedial slot rules - Its undeserved from Heathrow and could well carry the AF codeshare (Flybe code across all their French flights today) as bmi did for many years

Reliability is rather better than some think.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 09:44
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Cornishsimon, Can you explain in what way ?

These are guaranteed slots free of exorbitant charges and for specific routes.

The Emb195 has 118/119 seats in Flybe config and weight wise cheaper than a 319 even at Heathrow rates so will probably work well to/from Edinburgh/Aberdeen.

Lets just update/remind ourselves the routes that can operated with these slots.

Aberdeen/Edinburgh/Nice/Moscow/Cairo and Riyadh for a number of consecutive seasons - Not completed by Virgin !

Then any additional EU city.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:07
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At 5 grand a day lease cost the 195 is way more expensive than a 319. I don't think the slightly lower landing fee (if it actually is) would make much difference.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:42
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At best talk of Flybe challenging BA is PR stunt. What sort of strategy would they follow on these routes? What is their point of difference?

LHR is expensive so competing on point to point, they are on the back for already competing on a London basis. Bmi failed and progressively moved away from domestics in favour of medium haul.

50% of LHR pax to Scotland are connecting, and many more making their own connections. Aberdeen is in decline. So leaves Edinburgh. These are by far the longest domestic sectors, so I cannot see anything fruitful for Flybe here given the competitive set...
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:43
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Interestingly the 195 costs £5,685 less in Noise charges than the 319 the departure levies are similar and obviously passenger charges are similar per pax.

NOx is £8.82 per kg that will also be lower on the 195 so overall - Yes the 195 is cheaper.

We don't know what rates Flybe actually pay for leases do we or do you know different ?

Cost base of Flybe is certainly lower than BA and i suspect even their Mix fleet crews.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:50
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50% of LHR pax to Scotland are connecting, and many more making their own connections. Aberdeen is in decline. So leaves Edinburgh. These are by far the longest domestic sectors, so I cannot see anything fruitful for Flybe here given the competitive set...
It's a fair observation however who is to say Ms Sturgeon wouldn't offer some inducement at the northern ends - if operated via Loganair ?
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 10:55
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The lease cost for the 195 was circa £180,000/month so actually closer to 6k a day. I've heard that a 319 is something like £120,000/month which may well be a generic figure and obviously dependant on individual airline deals.

That's a fairly big difference to make up with a smaller, albeit, slightly more efficient aircraft.
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 11:36
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..."it will use small turbo prop aircraft"

Not a mention of E Jets!

Always worth reading the actual article.
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