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Old 28th Jul 2017, 11:47
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
MU would be very unlikely to have served Guangzhou, as it's not their main hub. China Eastern (MU) has its main hub at Shanghai. I think you may have been thinking of China Southern (CZ) for Guangzhou?
Yes - that's the one. China Southern.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:34
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Obviously a one-off, but LH is showing a non stop flight from Bogota...I will see what details I can get.

PARTICIPANT CARRIERS SCHEDULED INTO MAN FROM BOG

NON-STOP SERVICE
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:45
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No details found in GDSs.

Could be a one off in the distant future, or some loading error.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:50
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It's probably a filing error from the divert the other day, which was LH543 from Bogota to Frankurt. Sometimes diverts have found their way into GDS after the flight plan is filed into booking engines by accident.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 16:22
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My usual moan about Terminal 3. Went through yesterday morning. A very long queue which was managed fairly well but it seems to me that the screening officers are far more strict than those in T1 or T2. Many many more bags being shoved to the other side of the screen for closer inspection.

T3 was not designed for the numbers of passengers it put through; especially holidaymakers. Entering the departure lounge is like entering a third world bus station after the nonsense of that narrow corridor. Ugh.
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Old 30th Jul 2017, 22:07
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27 million

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...cs_Summary.pdf
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Old 31st Jul 2017, 07:08
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Re Virgin JV , is the rabbit not out of the hat in terms of the direct market.

I would have thought they would find it difficult to now funnel passengers back via Europe?

Infact I would have thought there is a cast iron opportunity to feed through Manchester if you build a single mega terminal!
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Old 31st Jul 2017, 08:14
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The issue VS/DL, AA/BA, UA have is TCX.

They cannot pull out and expect to funnel their passengers via LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA.

If they pull out, they know they are likely to loose a large chunk of their passengers to TCX who are based at MAN.
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Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo
The issue VS/DL, AA/BA, UA have is TCX.

They cannot pull out and expect to funnel their passengers via LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA.

If they pull out, they know they are likely to loose a large chunk of their passengers to TCX who are based at MAN.
Very much looking forward to AA returning the 788.

Much better hard product than BA from LHR in J, with more connections at t'other end.

Hopefully there's room for this as well as TCX.

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Old 1st Aug 2017, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo
The issue VS/DL, AA/BA, UA have is TCX.
They cannot pull out and expect to funnel their passengers via LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA.
If they pull out, they know they are likely to loose a large chunk of their passengers to TCX who are based at MAN.
Although the present situation can lend itself to excess capacity on certain routes, personally I much prefer to see a small portfolio of TATL carriers than a very dominant single airline such as TCX.

MAN may not have the premium demand of LHR but it seems to me that it does now have a reasonable base of Business and higher fare passengers. TCX, despite getting some good reviews for its Economy and P/E products, doesn't have Business Class at present, and if AA/BA and VS/DL were to contract at MAN, I suspect those higher yield pax would simply take their loyalty points / gold cards or whatever to LHR or DUB or PAR etc.

The region, and MAN's wider catchment, do have folk - and not just those on business - who are prepared to pay more for their long haul flights that offer greater comfort, as well as those who are happy to take the cheapest options.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 12:12
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Manchester Airport blasted for security queues after missing June targets - Manchester Evening News

According to targets set by the airport with airlines, no more than eight per cent of travellers should wait longer than 15 minutes in security - where passengers' bags are checked before flying.

That still equates to around a million passengers a year waiting longer than 15 minutes.

In June, 11 per cent of passengers waited longer than 15 minutes, meaning the target was missed.

In Terminal One, 18.5pc of passengers had to queue for more than 15 minutes - a marked deterioration from previous months.
Thankfully, the airport spokesman didn't bang on about TP and said
“As the summer progresses we will continue to invest to ensure queues are kept to a minimum.”
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 13:37
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And ironically, the most traditionally complained about terminal (T3) absalutely smashed its target (98% of pax through in less than 15 minutes versus the target of 92%)! Go figure!?
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False News me thinks....or in the words of Victor Meldew..." I don't believe it!"
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 17:00
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Which bit is false?
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 17:48
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I am finding the T3 stat very difficult to believe. I must be incredibly unlucky, and my family, and my friends and my business associates and a fair few people on social media.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 17:50
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My recent experience of T3 was poor on departure and dreadful on arrival.
No seating in an overflowing departure lounge,after a lengthy queue to get through security.
Arrival was hideous,waiting 45 minutes to clear immigration,just miserable.
Compared with East Midlands,part of the same company,an absolute pleasure to use.
Plenty of room for improvement as far a a customer experience is concerned.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 18:15
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It's funny isn't it.

Either the article is completely false and that means the queues in T1 are in fact quite quick, or the article is true and the queues are not as bad as perceived in T3.

You can't just pick and choose which parts of the article you believe, if MAN we're going to bend the figures, then they wouldn't be stiching themselves up with regard to T1 being under target, would they? They would claim a great target across the board.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 19:14
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My impression is that T3 is more 'wavy' than the others, as a higher proportion of movements are by home based aircraft. The consequent quiet periods distort the average, and of course as they're quiet not many people see the benefit.

FWIW 2 of us came off the Rouge this morning, and despite parking remotely were in a taxi home 35 minutes after the seatbelt sign was turned off.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 19:23
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T3 doesn't have any particularly overly quiet periods now, save the end of the day before the last Ryanair heads out.

Yes, there are a lot of based aircraft, but Flybe actually use more away based flights than based, and Ryanair also have a lot of away based flights. Then there are airlines like AA, Air France and Vueling away based, as well as the high frequency BA/KL flights.

So, not as wavy as one would expect.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 20:18
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I think the T3 queues are actually worse than they look. I hate the place, the low ceilings and ridiculous narrow corridor to departures are horrible. There space is long and very narrow, there isn't a lot of space for more than one "turn-back" around a TENSA barrier, so queues could be shorter than they look. T1 has a huge TENSA holding pen - although I've never seen that full myself. T1 also has far more lanes, T3 never seems to have enough. I think more people tend to arrive later on the flyBe and BA services, so the constant calling of flights and people fighting through bodies probably makes the perceived experience worse than it really is.
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