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Old 11th Jan 2016, 09:11
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It's a classic operation of based aircraft in waves, there are indeed parts of the day when Teminal 2 can actually sit empty of docked aircraft.

Large growth opportunity is there for non based easyJet, Ryanair, Vueling, Wizz and so forth IMHO.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 10:51
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Large growth opportunity is there for non based easyJet, Ryanair, Vueling, Wizz and so forth IMHO
I agree Skip, although Ryanair already has a significant proportion of their MAN flights with non-based a/c.

Personally, I think it's a pity MAN have missed out on Wizzair, given that the airport is not all that strong in Eastern Europe with destinations such as Bucharest and Vilnius not served as well as other potential cities in Poland. However, with the airline firmly established at LPL, the situation seems unlikely to change in the near future.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 11:49
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Please ask yourselves why those gates are empty at off peak times. MAN/airlines growth and profit comes from peak time travel. If it cannot offer gates at peak times, then people and airlines have LPL and LBA.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 12:29
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That is just PR bull from MAG. The airport is growing because there is increased demand, MAG are employing its because of SE having no spare capacity and look we do which is not at all correct.

Yes room for some off peak growth but as said people want to travel at peak times then the airport must cater for thst if you dont then you lose new business and possible damage grwoth of existing.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 15:31
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Yes room for some off peak growth but as said people want to travel at peak times then the airport must cater for that
Yes, people want to get up at 4am for a 6am departure - not! This is first wave to suit the airlines maximising aircraft flying hours and nothing wrong with that. However first wave departures of a non MAN based aircraft gets to use MAN at an off peak time, so it's dependent on the airline from which end they want to serve MAN-xyz. In terms of leisure, the customer follows the carrier whereas in time sensitive business travel, the carrier must follow the customer.
Please ask yourselves why those gates are empty at off peak times. MAN/airlines growth and profit comes from peak time travel. If it cannot offer gates at peak times, then people and airlines have LPL and LBA.
Ask yourself how many people demand a 6am departure on the first day of their holiday needing an overnight airport hotel stop. Again, this is often carrier driven rather than customer focussed.
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 16:00
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One of the reasons MAG airports are growing faster than other UK airports is that they have the spare capacity to handle new services.
I'm not convinced....
Note it says MAG airports, not just Manchester..

And look at the histograms from the Summer Season 2015 ACL report here to see where the spare capacity is by runway and terminal. There was quite a bit as you can see although probably a bit less for 2016 where the scheduling is still work in progress, so the report will not be available for a few months. But please be convinced there is plenty f spare capacity for a lot of the day

http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File...n%20Report.pdf

SKP1F is quite correct in what he says in the previous post. And MAN is encouraging airlines to operate in the off peak by means of modulated charging ie discounts for operating in off peak periods

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...march-2016.pdf

Not sure who the tweet is aimed at though; perhaps this is aimed at Bagso to show him they haven't gone to sleep - quite.... Any airline will know full well what is going on without this, so it is presumably part of a "strategy??" aimed at those outside the industry. Or is that asking too much?

And here's the STN capacity report but any discussion about that should be taken over to that thread

http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/STN_S15_SOS.pdf
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 16:26
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Suzeman, thanks for those links.

What was good news for MAN was that actual pax numbers increased over the summer of 2015 by significantly more than the 0.4% / 1.3% increase in seats available shown in the ACL report compared to the start and end of s2014. I assume this would partly be due to higher LFs, but would it also arise from say the use of larger a/c than originally planned or were some new services which started part way through the summer (e.g Austrian and Iberia) perhaps not included in the original slots and schedules?

It will be interesting to see what the ACL report reveals for the start of summer 2016.
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 12:29
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There's a lot of construction work going on to the East of T2 by the Beijing Construction Engineering Group, running along Area 7 car park and into Long Stay 2 and Staff West.

Anyone know what they're doing? Just curious
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 14:46
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Originally Posted by 750XL View Post
There's a lot of construction work going on to the East of T2 by the Beijing Construction Engineering Group, running along Area 7 car park and into Long Stay 2 and Staff West.

Anyone know what they're doing? Just curious
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The works @ west of T2 is a new gas main and ancillary ducting. Noticed today work has begun at the east end of T2 also.
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 10:20
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Reservations should theoretically open for Air China any day now "if" it's still going ahead !
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Old 13th Jan 2016, 12:53
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Whilst the PR spin of "spare capacity" might well be over egged some of us are at least pleased they are saying something, anything... although the telemetry once again seems somewhat adhoc with this reference appearing in The BusinessDesk but completely bypassing their usual 1st choice i.e. their good buddies at the business pages of the M E N (...at least thus far).

It illustrates the random adhoc nature of the output, hopefully something that Adam Jupp and Graeme Elliott will address. That said I cannot help thinking the latters appointment might have more to do with selling the image of our vibrantly ugly sister down in Essex as a London Airport, than promotion of the Manchester Airport within the Republic of Mancunia and its wider catchment. We shall see !

As far as I am concerned Manchester and Stansted are most definitely NOT bosom buddies although (and it chokes me to say this ), given the eye-watering cost of proposed new tarmac in the SE I can at least begrudgingly concede it was a not unreasonable buy.

Both however remain in very direct competition with each other, GT managed to cap STN expansion in the 80s fearing yet another London Airport would swallow up even more UK capacity. I share that view today.

Others may argue that both are different markets, maybe they are BUT airlines with spare aircraft will only allocate them once and personally I want that expansion here not in agricultural Essex.

Much to the chagrin I suspect of our mates in Wollongong all the long haul increases in route structure, capacity and frequency have in the last 2 years somewhat stubbornly manifested themselves at Manchester, this has been supported by a good mix of increase in short haul with a variety of airlines.

And therein lies the rub. STN dominated as it is by RYR would I'm sure have been the "preferred" choice" for the type of expansion that MAN is seeing however the significant recovery in pax number there is almost all based on the whim of one airline. A blessing but ultimately also a curse !

There is a danger that the capacity cap that GT imposed with now be breached. With MAG pushing for expansion, its more than possible that Graeme Elliott has been brought in to oversee the PR push for that expansion rather than one with a Mancunian agenda.

If the PR output does become more widespread and dare I say more consistent and professional it will be interesting to see how the differing messages that both airports offer are couched.

Ps .. that injection of professionalism cannot come quick enough. The recruitment agency must surely have had an inkling that the Concorde suite was far to small for 3000 jobs /applicants !

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....chaos-10729811

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Old 14th Jan 2016, 04:18
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DHL Didn't last long ?

I understand that the recently axed daytime-stopper DHL freighter, that was rumoured to be re-starting around April time, is now defunct completely, as all slot requests have been cancelled.
The road trucking experience must obviously be preferable to them, and dare I say it, to MA as well, as it frees up an otherwise daily occupied stand, and the freight still earns them revenue through E. Mids !
Being even more mischievous, it also means that perhaps a stand can be kept for car parking !!??
About as useful in attracting freighters as organising a jobs fair - amateurs in a professional world !
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 08:22
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must surely have had an inkling that the Concorde suite was far to small for 3000 jobs /applicants !
Tell me about it

Got caught up in the traffic coming out of Staff West so the 15 minutes to home took nearly an hour and a half.
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 12:22
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DHL Didn't last long ?

Staggering news !

I fully appreciate the amount of trucked freight contributes to overall attractivess of the airport BUT hang on, this is a custom made facility "on airport", having a service start, which lasts a few weeks, only for that service to reimerge possibly at EMA or worse Stansted. It's bizarre !

Surely a prestigious facility opening as a wider part of Airport City (South) is a major cornerstone of the airport offering ?
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 12:45
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That is the crux of it EMA has a huge DHL operation
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 12:58
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Re-emerging at EMA is conjecture- they have a number of flights to Leipzig from there already so unlikely to be adding another one as a direct replacement. DHL have taken at least 3 757s out of service in the last few months with only 1 replacement coming in. There are supposed to be 2 more under conversion which would presumably make up the gap, but they haven't been delivered yet.

A more likely scenario is that they managed to work their schedule to operate flights for the busy couple of months up to Christmas, with the help on occasions of the Bulgarian 737s, but now that things are quieter for a while they have moved the capacity. It's always possible that having dipped a toe in the water they've had a rethink, but apart from spotter conspiracy theories I struggle to come up with something the airport may have done that would scare them off, especially with them being such a big MAG group customer.
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 13:17
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I was told by various sources flight would definitely be back in april?? They would be using s bigger aircraft to accommodate other areas of northern England. Maybe they are changing the slot??
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 13:54
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I appreciate the DHL facility has turned Manchester into an "International Destination", re Air - Road, clearly its a huge positive to have a parcel / frieght service that allows inbound frieght to be processed onsite then migrate across the Northern m-way network.

....however both myself and indeed a few others were of the opinion that such a grand facility would in addition be an "International DEPARTURE point" in its own right using the very same advantages of an inbound facility ?

PS It's a wee bit presumtuous to assume we are all "spotters", speaking personally I have not jotted a number down in 25 years !

But I am interested in Manchester Airport as a catalyst for growth across the wider region. I am reminded that the current management, whilst in temporary situ to maximise shareholder value, also have an obligation to assist as a major lynchpin in supporting the wider economy.
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Old 14th Jan 2016, 14:36
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I understand that the recently axed daytime-stopper DHL freighter, that was rumoured to be re-starting around April time, is now defunct completely, as all slot requests have been cancelled.
And slot requests can always be re-instated. I would have thought that at the time of day it would operate, it shouldn't be a problem to get what they wanted. At this time of year slots of all sorts are being cancelled and new requests are being made.

We will have to wait and see what happens
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Old 16th Jan 2016, 14:33
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RYANAIR

Looking at the timetable for the first week in August 2016, I reckon there are 256 weekly departures by Ryanair, which I think is an increase from about 218 in S2015.

Of those 256, something like 114 are by non-based a/c, or c 45%. DUB accounts for 34 of the non-based (the 17.35 flight appears to be with a based a/c). Nevertheless, even with one or two early arrivals from the likes of DUB and SNN, it must be very helpful to MAN that all the double daily Faro and Malaga services for example operate with non-based a/c, given the constraints of T3. If say only DUB were non-based, at least 12 a/c would be needed meet the rest of the program.

One oddity. Although 8 a/c are required for the first wave of departures on Mon-Thurs (and probably Sun if the 08.00 to Bratislava is a based a/c), I could only find 7 based required on Fri and Sat. Can anyone confirm, and if so, does 1 a/c get moved somewhere else for those 2 days or is it just a gap in the scheduling?
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