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Old 9th Jan 2017, 15:50
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Why would Flybe care about marketing or advertising? Where does it say that this will be Flybe’s responsibility? As has been pointed out before, they do not carry the commercial risk on these flights. They are simply being contracted to provide a service to Stobart, for which they will be paid regardless of the success (or otherwise) of the flights.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 16:13
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From my own experience with franchised operations the Franchisor (BE) would contract to provide a certain expenditure on advertising/marketing out of the, say, 10% franchise fee that it charges. That fee would also cover the cost of reservations and ticketing. The Franchisor would provide the Franchisee with an account of the expenditure it made on advertising and marketing. The Franchisee could obviously undertake as much additional marketing effort as it thought fit at its own cost.

That is just one model of the Franchise system and I'm not saying that model forms the basis of the BE/STK deal.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 16:46
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It's a perfectly sensible scenario. Again, though (and I think we're on the same page here) it doesn't involve Flybe taking any of the commercial risk on the flights. Advertising is just part of the 'service' they provide.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 17:10
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We have got 12 of the 18 new flights ,any thoughts on when /if the other 6 might be announced and were they might be
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 18:50
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I doubt that they will appear any time soon. I would have hoped to see Malta, Krakow, Edinburgh and Dublin with perhaps Copenhagen and Rotterdam.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 21:24
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I doubt Dubrovnik, Zadar, Reus or Figari would be kept for winter.

Routes 13-18 could easily materialise when the winter schedule is announced, and consist of the likes of Chambery, Grenoble, Turin, Salzburg and Innsbruck for the skiers.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 21:42
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My guess wood be that Flybe get a % of the air fares collected, for that Stobart will get a degree of marketing support and distribution services.

I would hope that Stobart have done their research as to what industries and agencies exist in the great area and reached agreements on price etc... Some good corporate contracts could make all the difference. These routes also look like mostly outbound traffic from the UK, which probably makes more sense, as the cost of marketing abroad from could be expensive and potentially less impactful...
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 21:56
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Dubrovnik, Figari, Reus and Zadar will be seasonal. A lot of us doubted the success of Caen, Groningen and Rennes, which are all still going pretty well. Hopefully with more well known destinations these new routes can do well also.
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 22:02
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If all goes well I wouldn't mind Flybe/Stobart shooting a 2/3 daily Dash 8/ATR72 up to Newcastle from Southend...
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Old 9th Jan 2017, 22:56
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Both EZY and BE couldn't make NCL work from STN. Loads on Flybe were especially terrible. I doubt there would be any chance of it happening from Southend. Especially if SEN can't make EDI, DUB or BFS work.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 03:37
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I wouldn't really call a peak of over 300,000 pax per annum, 4 daily 737's and delaying the end date (they might have even done it twice), not making NCL work. I would however call it APD, downsizing of the NCL base in general and more profitable redeployment of the aircraft (I know, not a strong point for NCL but this was when Gatwick was massively starting to become flavour of the day and I think STN lost out as well)

Flybe on NCL-STN was just a travesty from the start, times were crap, wasn't advertised well. Half arsed attempt that ended up on bmi regional's ERJ, 6 weekly at 11am...

I'd love to see another London connection, and this is probably one of very few remaining options
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 03:48
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Debonair also had a go at Newcastle to Luton using a 146 but it only lasted maybe a year
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 04:06
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Originally Posted by _aax1
Both EZY and BE couldn't make NCL work from STN. Loads on Flybe were especially terrible. I doubt there would be any chance of it happening from Southend. Especially if SEN can't make EDI, DUB or BFS work.
EDI and BFS probably failed because of the 155 seater A319 operating the routes. Regularly there were 100+ pax which surely would provide a better opportunity for a 75 seat type.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 07:27
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There is zero chance of Newcastle or any other city within England being a success, that includes Carlisle. The only thing that would work would be Newquay during the summer.

While theoretically a few flights to Edinburgh per week would work well on that size of aircraft if catering to the local leisure market, I can't see it due to the conflict with BE's LCY route. Belfast I can't see as it just doesn't have the same level of appeal.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 07:46
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BFS is a funny one- currently EZY's most successful domestic from LTN. With no surface connections I think it could work from Southend on an ATR or Dash.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 08:06
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I don't know whether Flybe has a veto on the choice of Stobart Air routes under the franchise, but if they do then EDI and BFS would presumably not be approved for obvious reasons.

As Stobart's plan seems primarily to increase pax numbers through SEN I'm very surprised that DUB-SEN isn't being resurrected under Aer Lingus Regional branding. Considering that the route generated 62,000ppa it could again make a big contribution to SEN growth. The yield cannot be known of course but I never had the feeling that it was unsustainable under that branding.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 10:50
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You would think DUB-SEN was a no-brainer, particularly as it's one route that could grow and grow. There must be a reason why it's never come back. As Expressflight says there are also probable obstacles preventing domestic routes being offered. But with easyjet moving gradually to a fleet of 186 seat aircraft, you would think there may be future opportunities.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 12:05
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After that press release about DUB-SEN's busiest ever month (6,000 pax), and the rumours of a possible 4th daily rotation, it was rather a shock that it was dropped. Unfortunately they must have had a good reason to do so.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 12:21
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May have been posted recently but did the link with CityJet fail because it was realised that SSJs could not be used due wet runway performance?
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 13:27
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Now that we know what this summer will bring for SEN, is there a consensus forming out there about Stobart's decision to support its airport with its own flights? Is this a smart move? Bad business practice? The jury still out? Most importantly - will it work?

Does anyone know if easyjet have a particular view on events, or any other notable players in the industry? It's just that if it does work for SEN, it could work for others.
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