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Old 9th Aug 2017, 07:10
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
Did Eastern operate MME-BRS?
No but there was a mme-Bristol service for a while 10 years back. Think it had something to do with a mobile phone company if memory service me right.
Eastern did a Brussels but never got the timings right to compete with NCL or LBA. Ie. Late morning arrival into Brussels! Not conducive to the business traveller.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 08:40
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
And the train takes how long?
It can take just over 4 hours, however there is a long wait at Peterborough whilst changing trains. If you are wanting to use the heliport, add another half hour, traffic in Norwich is really bad.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:10
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NWI

My point was that at fares that would attract leisure passengers - £99'rtn. there's only £28 per sector in it for the airline even if there were nil charges from the airports. I really hope it works but the numbers look hard to me.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:32
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[QUOTE=onion;9856637]No but there was a mme-Bristol service for a while 10 years back. Think it had something to do with a mobile phone company if memory service me right./QUOTE]

Most likely orange. They had call centre operations in both the North East and Bristol.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:44
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Originally Posted by oldart View Post
It can take just over 4 hours, however there is a long wait at Peterborough whilst changing trains. If you are wanting to use the heliport, add another half hour, traffic in Norwich is really bad.
I know what's involved, it was the original poster who seemed to be missing the point. For the vast majority of people flying is much quicker, and actually if you're booking quite late or want flexibility the rail service isn't particularly cheap.

I would also point out to toon22 that if any leisure passengers use the service contributing £28 per sector, that's a £28 bonus that wouldn't otherwise be earned. Possibly toon22 also doesn't realise it's likely that most pax on the Norwich sector will have come from Aberdeen, again the few pax that join at MME will be a bonus.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:56
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Flexible, last-minute plane tickets tend to be expensive also!

And don't forget check-in times.

And the train is every hour. You take your pick.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 10:59
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Eastern did operate MME-BRS, and yes it was to try and take advantage of Orange employees using Easyjets NCL-BRS route
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 11:08
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Still can't get my head around the excitement generated by this announcement?

The average monthly departing passenger total is around the 750 mark.

Rough maths say 20 working days per month..
Forget about the weekend schedules.

7 flights per day to Aberdeen gives a grand total of 5.3 joining passengers per flight...
Add in 8 possible weekend departures 2 each brings that total down to 5.06 passengers per flight.

Ok that's basic and there will be better(and worse) months,but my question is..which airline will pack in first and what happens if it's Eastern and Loganair are left.You would figure as with most airport start up airlines they are being charged peanuts,if anything for at least the first year.Eastern go and airport revenue becomes nil from what's left?
Where does that leave the airports revenue stream?
Interesting times..
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 11:39
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
Flexible, last-minute plane tickets tend to be expensive also!

And don't forget check-in times.

And the train is every hour. You take your pick.
You're right but the fact remains the aircraft does ABZ-MME-NWI so any pax joining at MME are a bonus, and a few will because it offers a quick and convenient alternative to the train. I had indeed considered check-in and onward travel.

I'd also reiterate this isn't something to get too excited about, and it is not going to lead to a plethora of new routes. Talk of Belfast or Bristol or anywhere else is pointless, it's not going to happen.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 12:07
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Why not Bristol? EZY are generating 13 - 14k passengers month from NCL on a schedule that suits the airline not its passengers. 1 flight at 21.30 anyone?
My last word on NWI. Transit stops are a killer for profitability. By the time you take cycle costs on engines and landing gear, plus ATC and handling charges, the notion that any joining passengers at DTV on an ABZ - NWI service are a 'bonus' is just wrong. No, you need c.20 pax ABZ - DTV, 6 ABZ - NWI and the ABZ DTV passengers replaced by 15 - 20 DTV NWI pax, and then it starts to make sense.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 16:03
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I've read all the posts & information as regards the Loganair venture & it seems to me to verge on insanity when looked upon as a stand up commercial operation in it's own right. There is nothing that I can see that makes this operation sustainable when working alongside Eastern, and I could see it struggling even if Eastern were to be forced out.
Back to basic's & you a have a small struggling airport with two routes the "thick" KLM AMS c.85% of traffic & "thin" Eastern ABZ c.11%.
The trend on the ABZ route has been downwards 53% drop in 2016 & clearly still struggling, given the plan (now redundant) to replace J41's with lower capacity J31's !
So along comes another operator prepared to give DTV a go ! & you say to yourself well done to them until you read the detail of their proposal & the real & quite pathetic reason becomes apparent ie to undermine Eastern’s operation.
Back to the proposal itself & the only positive, which provides any merit for this operation at all is that from Friday through to Sunday, Loganair are to fly one daily return ABZ – NWI via DTV , Dep ABZ 13.00 Arr NWI 15.20, Dep NWI 16.00 arr. ABZ 18.50. The relevance to DTV is that conveniently it is to call in en-route at DTV allowing pick up & drop off of pax both ways. This may in itself increase the DTV stats, dependent on through traffic, though I suspect little else.
Other than the above Eastern currently operate up to 3 daily returns ABZ – NWI direct, so what is going on ? has Eastern missed a trick, or possibly more likely, given their knowledge of the route and that of DTV where they have considerable presence, concluded it was not feasible for commercial or other reasons ?
Finally it would not be PPRuNe if the majority of posters to this thread had not gone off at a tangent & discussed alternates other than DTV – NWI , however as can be seen further destinations / expanding the network of operations from DTV are not necessarily on Loganair’s agenda at all, & if route growth was a consideration, then perhaps as mooted DTV would be well down the pecking order & indeed perhaps irrational when there are larger hubs less than 40 miles away pushing for similar growth.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 17:50
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Jonathan Hinkles, Loganair’s Managing Director said: “We’re looking forward to beginning a long and successful working relationship with Durham Tees Valley Airport and intend to announce further service developments at DTVA in the coming months.”
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Don`t hold yer breath folks
Agreed & what has been said must be extremely subjective, given that at this time he has not actually dealt with the opposition.

Note that "further service developments" is not necessarily the same as "further new service destinations".....

Interesting times ahead.....
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Robert-Ryan View Post
Eastern did operate MME-BRS, and yes it was to try and take advantage of Orange employees using Easyjets NCL-BRS route
There was a FZO service as well.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 18:07
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Originally Posted by skyman771 View Post
Agreed & what has been said must be extremely subjective, given that at this time he has not actually dealt with the opposition.

Note that "further service developments" is not necessarily the same as "further new service destinations".....

Interesting times ahead.....

I thought I had read a while back Loganair ( probably when they split up with Flybe ).
Said they wanted to aggressively push South into Northern English and regional airports.

I read into this they sadly ( sorry DTV guys , because any news is meant to be good news ) .

But to replicate a service that's failing.
And offer a new service apparently needed for business , but one ( isn't it just Sundays to NWI? ).

This reads as political plus as the other poster sadly was right a simple attack on the opposite airline .

Plus the idea of lots of Tartan Tailed aircraft flying into English airports with large English Airlines smacks of a bit of nationalism there !.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 18:10
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but one ( isn't it just Sundays to NWI? ).
No - every day except Saturday.
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Old 9th Aug 2017, 21:32
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Highwide, Skyman and co raise valid points, though Skyman overstates. I'm on the fence, my excitement comes from the first new routes in a few years and my slight nervousness is based on the same reasons others mention...i.e. ultimately there can only be one winner maybe even no winners and one big loser. But we're in a beggars can't be choosers situation and any new business is to be welcomed.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 07:56
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Both good new, best place for bagpipes!!
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 16:32
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Harsh! I was thinking more about how it reflects on organisation.
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