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Old 11th Aug 2016, 12:28
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July pax up 14%

Per BHX 1221212

Pretty decent figure.

ssflyer - interesting points re the compare between the 380 and 777.

oceanhawk - does this mean the 787 is elsewhere on Friday and Saturday when the BGI operates as a 767?

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Old 11th Aug 2016, 13:27
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July passenger figures

Biggest scheduled growth was on Madrid (up 313.3%) and biggest charter growth was on Orlando (up 206.3%, don't know how though as frequency/equipment is exactly the same as last year)

https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...record-summer/
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Sanford was weekly this July and last July only 3 sectors operated as Thomson deemed it more profitable to send the aircraft elsewhere to accommodate Scottish school holidays which is a great idea but eventually they cross-over and the Midlands lose out for a week or two.

Thankfully this year they only did it with the Montego Bay and one of the Cancun flights. if BHX was teaming with Sanford's I could have understood it a bit better but the only flight.

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Sorry Pete, do not know what the 787 will be doing. I guess Cun or Mbj ,or puj.

I do know the 767 will be on the Dubai and all the BGI s.
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Does anyone know how Qatar's Doha service is performing, any information on it?
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Qatar are doing very well pax and cargo, I think BHX will see either a bigger aircraft or 10 per week in the near future
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oceanhawk

Thank you for the reply.

I believe the long-haul schedule come Christmas is: -

Monday - Dubai & Cancun
Tuesday Montego Bay
Wednesday - Punta Cana
Thursday - Cancun
Friday - Bridgetown
Saturday - Brisgetwon
Sunday - Bridgetown & Montego Bay

From what you are saying the 763 will be here from Friday until it returns from DWC on Tuesday afternoon and the 787 Sunday - Thursday.

Seems a slight backward step to reduce the 787 from 6 flights last winter to 5 but I suppose overall a significant increase.

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Due to the wonderful new improved CAA site where you get the stats 15 months later (joking) rather than the old inefficient method of 15 days, only the April stats are known and these were encouraging if not stellar (72% load factor).

However although I am sure Qatar's main short-term aim is market-share and it is worth looking at various fares currently on sale. It really reinforces the aforementioned assumption that it appears it is pax before yields or at least to start with.

The base economy fares for an advanced purchases are just a bargain (small sample of SE Asia, HKG & Australia) and there is no other way to describe them.

As you move up the fare ladder business seems a lot more balanced in terms of price but with only 24 seats up front I suppose they don't need to be so cavalier. I am not here to advertise any airline, as I don't want to incur the wrath of the Mods but some seriously stupid and I mean stupid fares at times and it does back up what I have mentioned above.

If I had to stick my neck out re loads alone I would say that they have more than held their own, slowed Emirates bedding in of EK41/2 and also restricted TK's increase although there have been of course other factors at play recently with them.

I wouldn't go as far as saying low Qatar fares have helped force EK to move the 380 from lunchtime to evening but it certainly hasn't helped although the main driver appears to be to re-balance their own loads to give a helping hand to EK41/2. It also makes sense as EK37/8 often sells out for a good chunk of the year. At least some rumours don't come true luckily or so it seems on this one.

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OP you are right there are some absolute bargains flying with QR at the moment, searching for flights to the Middle and Far East from BHX in Oct and Nov both TK and QR were offering some very low fares with EK consistently £50-£150 more depending on destination. The queue this morning at QR check in was very healthy too. In fact the whole terminal was heaving, how on earth are they going to fit Jet2 in next summer?

I'm surprised that QR don't have a proper ticket desk. Then again most of the desks are seemingly abandoned or in the case of Turkmenistan have been removed altogether. Is there a plan to get rid of these desks to increase space in what is a very tight area for check in, I can't imagine QR will put up with their compact check in area forever?

To stick my neck out I have a feeling that if QR hadn't started we would have or about to have double daily EK 380.
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According to RoutesOnline the BHX-DWC flights will be on the 787...

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...ervice-in-w16/
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Does anybody know when the figures for the FY to the end of March 2016 will be published?
It is interesting that in the last set of figures they seem to have made more money as a shopping centre than as an airport.
The airport certainly seems to have a lot of directors. I wonder how many actually contribute to the operation?
Their emolument costs increased by over 25%.One director earned comsiderably more than my airline CEO!
It also shows that employee costs barely rose, probably because the airport pays only minimum wage.
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...te-version.pdf
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 06:55
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Originally Posted by tubby linton
Does anybody know when the figures for the FY to the end of March 2016 will be published?
It is interesting that in the last set of figures they seem to have made more money as a shopping centre than as an airport.
The airport certainly seems to have a lot of directors. I wonder how many actually contribute to the operation?
Their emolument costs increased by over 25%.One director earned comsiderably more than my airline CEO!
It also shows that employee costs barely rose, probably because the airport pays only minimum wage.
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...te-version.pdf
I'm not sure what's so surprising about that. Since the "low cost" revolution many airlines have taken the view that it's not their job to pay for using airports, so the revenue has to come from somewhere else, be that retailers, trolley charges, fast lane security, car parking etc. etc. That these figures are increasing as a proportion of total revenue is hardly surprising. I doubt there is a single major airport in UK where the trend toward being a "shopping centre with parking for airliners" isn't the norm. personally I dislike that trend but that's life today.

As for directors, as BHX is part public owned, you can expect local politicians to have a seat at the big table. I'm afraid that the question of how much the directors "earn" is a thorny one generally, and the gulf between salaries for executives and your average joe will continue to widen. One assumes (hopes) that executive pay is performance related, that may reflect why the director of BHX perhaps earns more than the CEO at your employer - not knowing who that employer is.
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personally I dislike that trend but that's life today.
Sadly it's because of the average "that's life today" attitude that airports get away with it! I'm a regular passenger and not on super low cost carriers. I use airlines to travel. I use airports to board flights on those airlines I travel with. I do not wish to be subjected to a grand tour of a shopping mall on my way to the gate! I feel sorry for the poor inexperienced passengers at BHX who sheepishly stay in the dark dungeon of a departure lounge because they don't know any better. Personally I make my way to the gate area where I can see daylight and basically get some peace and quiet.
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 08:18
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Just been reading about LPL and easy jet on Anna aero. It made me wonder, BHX must be by far the largest airport in the UK (xLHR) without a base, and very limited route structure.... I find this rather odd considering so many other European locos use BHX and growing rapidly, FR I believe are upping winter capacity c45%. Is this rather odd? Or am I missing something?
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Old 20th Aug 2016, 09:17
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EasyJet are reluctant to invest in the Midlands after their EMA operation flopped. It's precisely because of this expansion from the European LCC's as well as Jet2 that I find it hard to see where they would fit in at BHX as most of the routes they could introduce could just as easily be introduced by airlines we already have.

In other news, Finnair was rumoured for S17 but it appears BHX has missed out for now as their schedule is now out and aircraft schedules look pretty much maxed out.

BCN and MAD still not bookable past the end of October with Norwegian but the situation is the same with MAN and EDI and Norwegian have a habit of releasing things late.
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With regards to EZY, I wouldn't say their EMA operation flopped. They just did their usual tactic of shying away from the competitors in that market, FR and WW (BmiBaby) as was at the time.

They reallocated their three based aircraft citing stagnation of the EMA base and better growth opportunities elsewhere. If only they'd stayed put things may have turned out different for them following the demise of WW only 2 years after.

I think based on broadly the same reasons with stronger market positions held by rival carriers, it would be unlikely for EZY to set up a BHX base, though some of the commercial decisions they seem to take regarding their route network never quite cease to surprise me.
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The notam relating to RW33 being downgraded to CAT1 has been extended until November. I thought that some waterproofing works were meant to have taken place to restore the capability.
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With regard to Easy, they face competition from others in MAN and EDI as examples, and Jet2 have decided to set up in BHX facing the same issues as Easy, perhaps harder as they are probably not quite as well known in the West and south Midlands etc. It still strikes me as odd, looking at Easy network BHX must be one of the larger W European airports to have so little Easy activity, they don't even keep GVA all year which imho would be viable, after all BHX must surely have the best road and rail feeds of any other airport in the UK. Furthermore they op and base extensively at LPL and MAN, even closer together than BHX and EMA. Perhaps they can't get a good deal, but that seems odd given the recent influx of locos, it must be me but as one of the largest locos it just seems odd to not have at least some presence at BHX given its size?
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Monarch

Fuerteventura which was slightly late to be released is now bookable for S17 and Sharm is currently available to book between February and April (both 2 weekly).

Worryingly, Nice was previously bookable at 4x weekly for S17 but has now been removed, with nothing showing beyond October this year. What's going on there? I hope they're not dropping it.
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Worryingly, Nice was previously bookable at 4x weekly for S17 but has now been removed, with nothing showing beyond October this year. What's going on there?
I would suggest a little matter of a lunatic, a truck and a Bastille Day parade not 6 weeks ago may be a contributory factor. These days people are so risk averse that such an attack will put people off going. One wonders how Spain would have fared in the 1970s and 1980 when ETA were active in Spain, and around holiday resorts.

I blame insurance companies and lawyers.
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EK A380 no more?

EK flights after 25th March 2017 are all on the 77W, is the A380 service being discontinued?
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