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Delays at BHX Saturday 27th August-why?
Apart from a few exceptions, there seem to be considerable delays ar BHX yesterday, that is even before the pm thunderstorms came through.
Any special reason other than traffic on a Bank Holiday Saturday? ATC? although I heard Monarch had a computer problem and check-in was manual, or was that throughout the terminal.?
Some flights were 3-4 hour late departing which could be costly.
SSF
Any special reason other than traffic on a Bank Holiday Saturday? ATC? although I heard Monarch had a computer problem and check-in was manual, or was that throughout the terminal.?
Some flights were 3-4 hour late departing which could be costly.
SSF
Heard yesterday that the airport will never get autoland capability back on 33 due to the new road infrastructure. Somebody in the airport severely cocked up in the planning. Where do we send the diversion costs to? Paul Kehoe, c/o Diamond House Birmingham Airport????
Incidentally, when was the last time I saw a positive posting about BHX from TL?
ATNotts the ILS is only Cat1 at the moment..It will be interesting to see if the airport manages to improve on that . Some aircraft types allow a manual CAT3A but not the Airbus which requires an autoland.
If you had to work from there you may not think that everything is as rosy as you paint it.
If you had to work from there you may not think that everything is as rosy as you paint it.
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ATNotts the ILS is only Cat1 at the moment..It will be interesting to see if the airport manages to improve on that . Some aircraft types allow a manual CAT3A but not the Airbus which requires an autoland.
If you had to work from there you may not think that everything is as rosy as you paint it.
If you had to work from there you may not think that everything is as rosy as you paint it.
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In 1985,my fleet manager asked me to fly as many auto lands as possible on RW33,so that the company could designate it as an autoland field After about three months I informed the fleet manager that RW 33 should not be listed as an auto land as the results were unstable.The reason being that if BHX pride and joy Magalav was in operation it upset the Loc. So as not to upset the locals ,so no autolands approved for the 737-200
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The Extension & 33 ILS Saga
The previous post re auto-lands on 33 is quite illuminating - LUT seems to have CATIII issues now with a new car park building, but noting from the Luton thread its a temp downgrade from CAT III B to CAT III a status at both ends.
The BHX 33 ILS Issue,is of a different order. CAT III (A or B) to CAT 1 ( I have looked up the various publicly available minima - I would imagine company operational practice(s) increases the MDA's and RVR limits allowable). Edit: I'm not qualified to speak explicitly on operational issues.
The only properly informed comments I've seen PPruNe have come from a poster who I assume to be an operational pilot or engineer who has direct experience of operations from BHX. (thanks for the EM).
Has their been an explanation from the BHX Management ? at any stage or even better, a technical analysis of the problem and a program of proposed amelioration communicated to the specialist press and effected parties. OK - People employed may be bound by their terms & conditions of employment, from commenting directly but the whole saga is beginning look bad from an SLF's point of view.
Speaking directly from experience as a diverted passenger to EMA one October in the small hours (It was a B737 200 Series - think penny coinage), I can appreciate the problem.
If for example your company operated interlinked operations both within the UK and Europe, the downgrade especially late Sept - late March could play havoc with punctuality.
I know Brum and its Fog's: As a broader issue a permanent downgrade impacts on the suitability of the extended runway for Long haul (overnight)operations and as said; diversions. Freight too.
The 15 end is I assume still CAT III capable to the glass is half full but why has there been no public explanation from the Airport management as to any progress made in finding a solution.
Please correct me if I'm wrong any any of these points thank you.
The situation does impact the travelling public and an informed explanation should be forthcoming.
Of course things may be fixed in the medium term ? If I were a high flying Company executive with a fleet based at a airfield where I faced a degrading of facilities, I would seek to renegotiate my landing fees - Ouch.
CAT III
The BHX 33 ILS Issue,is of a different order. CAT III (A or B) to CAT 1 ( I have looked up the various publicly available minima - I would imagine company operational practice(s) increases the MDA's and RVR limits allowable). Edit: I'm not qualified to speak explicitly on operational issues.
The only properly informed comments I've seen PPruNe have come from a poster who I assume to be an operational pilot or engineer who has direct experience of operations from BHX. (thanks for the EM).
Has their been an explanation from the BHX Management ? at any stage or even better, a technical analysis of the problem and a program of proposed amelioration communicated to the specialist press and effected parties. OK - People employed may be bound by their terms & conditions of employment, from commenting directly but the whole saga is beginning look bad from an SLF's point of view.
Speaking directly from experience as a diverted passenger to EMA one October in the small hours (It was a B737 200 Series - think penny coinage), I can appreciate the problem.
If for example your company operated interlinked operations both within the UK and Europe, the downgrade especially late Sept - late March could play havoc with punctuality.
I know Brum and its Fog's: As a broader issue a permanent downgrade impacts on the suitability of the extended runway for Long haul (overnight)operations and as said; diversions. Freight too.
The 15 end is I assume still CAT III capable to the glass is half full but why has there been no public explanation from the Airport management as to any progress made in finding a solution.
Please correct me if I'm wrong any any of these points thank you.
The situation does impact the travelling public and an informed explanation should be forthcoming.
Of course things may be fixed in the medium term ? If I were a high flying Company executive with a fleet based at a airfield where I faced a degrading of facilities, I would seek to renegotiate my landing fees - Ouch.
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Runway 33 ILS
CATIII-NDB
I certainly can't offer anything of substance technically related but a post on another forum said the fix is still scheduled during the routine November runway closures but I suppose time will tell.
The CAA diversion stats indicate BHX are not suffering unduly through diversions with 21 in 2015 with a high of 10 in November and I suspect those were late running flights during the runway closures.
Slightly higher in 2014 (31) but the figures are similar to EMA and Luton.
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Incredible amount of time changes already to the 2017 schedule no doubt Brexit related as now back to 4 based. They never announced a 5th based but the schedule was clearly 5 based and it is now just more away based flights - 13 on a Tuesday!!!!!
Pete
I certainly can't offer anything of substance technically related but a post on another forum said the fix is still scheduled during the routine November runway closures but I suppose time will tell.
The CAA diversion stats indicate BHX are not suffering unduly through diversions with 21 in 2015 with a high of 10 in November and I suspect those were late running flights during the runway closures.
Slightly higher in 2014 (31) but the figures are similar to EMA and Luton.
Ryanair
Incredible amount of time changes already to the 2017 schedule no doubt Brexit related as now back to 4 based. They never announced a 5th based but the schedule was clearly 5 based and it is now just more away based flights - 13 on a Tuesday!!!!!
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Thank you, as ever an informed reply. Good News.
Its just that from professional experience (from an admittedly different technical context) I'm concerned a the "apparent" lack of progress.
CAT III
Its just that from professional experience (from an admittedly different technical context) I'm concerned a the "apparent" lack of progress.
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
More 50/50 than most UK airports though 33 is the preferential runway.
Originally Posted by tubby linton
I haven't done a landing on 15 since the Spring. The 33 ILS has been CAT1 since the Winter.
The last time I checked Occam , July was in the Summer, and I have been working to the full extent of EASA FTL all year.
Do you remember a post you made a few years ago?
I am only repeating what you posted .Did you feed this back to your ATS manager?
Does this highlight that BHX needs to invest in internal infrastructure as well as throwing tarmac on the ground?
Perhaps Occam, you could tell us the nature of the problem and the remedial work that will be undertaken to restore full capability.
Do you remember a post you made a few years ago?
I am only repeating what you posted .Did you feed this back to your ATS manager?
Does this highlight that BHX needs to invest in internal infrastructure as well as throwing tarmac on the ground?
Perhaps Occam, you could tell us the nature of the problem and the remedial work that will be undertaken to restore full capability.
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Worth remembering that fog tends to be associated with light winds - at least somewhere like BHX - so the CAT3 ILS on RW15 would probably still be available on a foggy day, albeit perhaps with a bit of a tailwind.
It's not just fog that causes diversions. Earlier this year there were some pretty nasty storms in the London area which caused many to divert. If a pilot who is unfamilar with BHX also sees that it doesn't have an operative CAT III on the active runway 33 he may well choose EMA or MAN.