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Are curfew hours defined in law.
Would seem an easy way to help would be to ease curfew in exceptional weather- is there anyway to do this?
If the residents of west London and their MPs are so hyped up that they can't tolerate more night movements on a few bad weather nights then they are very selfish indeed.
Or may be they should be incentivised by a passenger lobby like the one Luton Borough Council takes from each pax using LTN, spent locally. Does LHR do anytihng for its local communities?
Would seem an easy way to help would be to ease curfew in exceptional weather- is there anyway to do this?
If the residents of west London and their MPs are so hyped up that they can't tolerate more night movements on a few bad weather nights then they are very selfish indeed.
Or may be they should be incentivised by a passenger lobby like the one Luton Borough Council takes from each pax using LTN, spent locally. Does LHR do anytihng for its local communities?
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There is a certain number of movements allowed during the night-ban hours on a per-airline basis, such as a normal late-running flight. It's basically a quota system. There's more info on the net about this, unfortunately, I haven't got my paperwork to hand anymore to give you a direct reference. Just as I write this at 23:47, there's an A/C on final approach to LHR, above my house.
The curfew can be, and has been waived for operational circumstances, at the discretion of the BAA/HAL. The problem is getting the ground staff to work through the night - they aren't rostered to do so, and as I said, the ground handlers are generally understaffed anyway, on a normal day. There wouldn't also be a readily-available supply of crew, either.
The curfew can be, and has been waived for operational circumstances, at the discretion of the BAA/HAL. The problem is getting the ground staff to work through the night - they aren't rostered to do so, and as I said, the ground handlers are generally understaffed anyway, on a normal day. There wouldn't also be a readily-available supply of crew, either.
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LHR Shorthaul Cancellations for Sunday
Originally Posted by Ringwayman
20% reduction in schedule
2cm to 6cm forecast snow with periodic low visibility throughout the day
2cm to 6cm forecast snow with periodic low visibility throughout the day
06:00 OS0458 Vienna
06:40 AF1381 Paris CDG
06:45 AZ0201 Rome
06:50 BA0332 Paris Orly
07:00 LX0359 Geneva
07:15 AF1081 Paris CDG
07:35 BA0964 Hamburg
08:10 LH0925 Frankfurt
08:55 LX0355 Geneva
09:05 BA0306 Paris CDG
11:00 BA0728 Geneva
11:05 EI0157 Dublin
11:35 VY7297 Bilbao
11:45 BA1440 Edinburgh
12:20 BA0632 Athens
12:25 LX0319 Zurich
12:30 BA0464 Madrid
12:40 BA0560 Rome
12:40 LH3399 Berlin
12:50 AF3672 Paris CDG
13:00 BA0314 Paris CDG
13:10 BA1394 Manchester
13:05 BA0716 Zurich
13:10 LH2475 Munich
13:20 BA0732 Geneva
13:40 BA0566 Milan Malpensa
13:40 LH0907 Frankfurt
14:00 BA0818 Copenhagen
14:05 BA0480 Barcelona
14:05 BA0780 Stockholm
14:15 BA0460 Madrid
14:25 BA1448 Edinburgh
14:40 BA0446 Amsterdam
14:40 BA0704 Vienna
14:50 BA0856 Prague
15:00 BA0542 Bologna
15:00 BA0568 Milan Linate
15:05 BA1486 Glasgow
15:10 BA1446 Edinburgh
15:10 BA0910 Frankfurt
15:10 EI0385 Shannon
15:15 BA0498 Alicante
15:15 BA0966 Hamburg
15:25 BA0398 Brussels
15:25 BA0502 Lisbon
15:35 BA0718 Zurich
15:40 BA0960 Munich
15:45 BA0746 Stavanger
15:50 BA1452 Edinburgh
15:50 BA0792 Gothenburg
15:50 BA0588 Milan Linate
16:00 BA0986 Berlin
16:00 BA0920 Stuttgart
16:10 BA0546 Rome
16:10 BA1334 Newcastle
16:15 BA0912 Frankfurt
16:15 BA0742 Geneva
16:20 BA0336 Paris Orly
16:30 BA0440 Amsterdam
16:35 BA1488 Glasgow
16:40 BA0820 Copenhagen
16:40 BA0782 Stockholm
16:55 BA0768 Oslo
17:00 BA0760 Bergen
17:00 SK0506 Copenhagen
17:05 KL1002 Amsterdam
17:10 LX0349 Geneva
17:20 BA0956 Munich
17:25 BA0708 Zurich
17:25 BA1454 Edinburgh
17:30 BA1314 Aberdeen
17:30 KL1026 Amsterdam
17:35 BA0884 Bucharest
17:40 BA0404 Brussels
17:45 BA0580 Milan Malpensa
17:45 EI0173 Dublin
17:50 BA1420 Belfast City
17:55 SK0528 Stockholm
18:00 BA0442 Amsterdam
18:00 AF2581 Paris CDG
18:05 EI0723 Cork
18:05 LH3385 Dusseldorf
18:10 KL1024 Amsterdam
18:15 BA1316 Aberdeen
18:25 BA1336 Newcastle
18:30 BA1458 Edinburgh
18:35 TP0357 Lisbon
18:50 AZ7899 Milan Linate
18:50 LH0917 Frankfurt
19:05 BA1498 Glasgow
19:15 BA1456 Edinburgh
19:45 EI0037 Belfast City
19:55 BA1404 Manchester
19:50 BA0544 Bologna
22:30 TK1984 Istanbul
Further cancellations are highly likely during the course of Sunday
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Cancellation to Longhaul departures for Sunday
A small number of departing longhaul flights have also been cancelled for tomorrow. With further cancellation likely
09:30 DL623 Boston
11:00 BA185 Newark
11:30 BA113 New York
12:35 AA139 New York
12:35 UA009 Newark
12:45 BA107 Dubai
12:50 DL006 New York
14:25 BA173 New York
14:55 BA205 Miami
15:15 AA105 New York
15:25 UA959 Chicago
16:20 UA925 Washington
16:30 EK030 Dubai
22:05 CX254 Hong Kong
09:30 DL623 Boston
11:00 BA185 Newark
11:30 BA113 New York
12:35 AA139 New York
12:35 UA009 Newark
12:45 BA107 Dubai
12:50 DL006 New York
14:25 BA173 New York
14:55 BA205 Miami
15:15 AA105 New York
15:25 UA959 Chicago
16:20 UA925 Washington
16:30 EK030 Dubai
22:05 CX254 Hong Kong
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And just for balance Geneva Cointrin has been closed for some hours today with diverted ac all over central Europe - so before we embark on national stereotypes it happens everywhere.
Accueil-Passagers - Aéroports de Paris
Basil was closed for a number of hours on Thursday night from 5pm
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instead of blocking stands waiting for de-icing, and then also having to de-ice planes more than once that still hand't moved, why doesn't BAA just de-ice planes on a taxiway once they are on the way to the runway.
That would free up stands and mean that planes would only be deiced when they were close to taking off.
It would also be a far more efficient use of de-icing personnel if you just had a permanent remote station they operated from
That would free up stands and mean that planes would only be deiced when they were close to taking off.
It would also be a far more efficient use of de-icing personnel if you just had a permanent remote station they operated from
It would be a lot quicker for all,if people flew to Manchester & went by surface to London. After all, London Airways wants us to do that the other way around the rest of the year.
There is a certain number of movements allowed during the night-ban hours on a per-airline basis, such as a normal late-running flight. It's basically a quota system. There's more info on the net about this, unfortunately, I haven't got my paperwork to hand anymore to give you a direct reference.
The curfew can be, and has been waived for operational circumstances, at the discretion of the BAA/HAL.
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22/04 said :
"Operational Freedoms" were originally developed and intended to provide Heathrow with additional freedoms to be used in rare, occasional circumstances to ease the airport's difficulties at the cost of breaking the flight alternation conditions that give residents a half day of peace. Unfortunately, the experience of many is that the airport has chosen to set the bar to use these freedoms so low that they have been invoked on nearly all days for many hours rather than the 15 red days a year or the 50 orange days a year that the SEAT reports originally envisaged.
It takes two to tango !
Would seem an easy way to help would be to ease curfew in exceptional weather- is there anyway to do this? If the residents of west London and their MPs are so hyped up that they can't tolerate more night movements on a few bad weather nights then they are very selfish indeed.
It takes two to tango !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_T7zIJm7nk
Good to see the airport spokesperson has the facts at her fingertips:
That's pretty good going - 50% more departures than on a normal, snow-free day.
Good to see the airport spokesperson has the facts at her fingertips:
We are going to be minimising disruption to passengers during the course of today, and we do expect 1000 flights to leave Heathrow
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Maybe she's referring to TTL movements, as opposed to departures?
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The appearance and behaviour of the spokesperson during interviews is critical, they can really damage the organisation reputation when its done badly. I personally think the image of BAA or Heathrow Ltd has improved massively in the 2 years between the 2 previous video clips. The lady comes across as sincere and likeable the fact she got some figures wrong would not have been noticed by 99.9% of the population and that is what matters.
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The appearance and behaviour of the spokesperson during interviews is
critical, they can really damage the organisation reputation when its done
badly.
critical, they can really damage the organisation reputation when its done
badly.
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BA now diverting arrivals due no spare stands. BA flights still on the ground waiting to depart 4 to 5 hours after STD. Other airlines operating out of Heathrow without he same problems BA are suffering with. The only people to blame are the BA management team within operations. Heathrow airport has done a great job in keeping the airport open. The problem BA is having, is that there are not enough de-icing rigs to complete the number of flights that they planned to operate, even with the reduced schedule.
I hope for the sake of BA that when the bad weather has finished ,the board look at who is responsible for the bad weather contingency plans. They need to made fully accountable. There are lots of questions their customers would like answers to. Then they should all be fired for incompetence.
I hope for the sake of BA that when the bad weather has finished ,the board look at who is responsible for the bad weather contingency plans. They need to made fully accountable. There are lots of questions their customers would like answers to. Then they should all be fired for incompetence.
Well I never got down to Madrid on Friday (in response to earlier posts in this thread).
Indeed, thanks to a very nice girl on the BA Silver exec club line I was able to canx flight and rebook before the flight itself was actually pulled. I travel later this week (that is ok for me).
I believe the lounge and T5 generally was a nightmare on Friday so grateful I was able to not experience it.
How far away is Spring.................
Nivsy
Indeed, thanks to a very nice girl on the BA Silver exec club line I was able to canx flight and rebook before the flight itself was actually pulled. I travel later this week (that is ok for me).
I believe the lounge and T5 generally was a nightmare on Friday so grateful I was able to not experience it.
How far away is Spring.................
Nivsy