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If STN-AMS really was 4 x daily in May 2011 then only 25,392 pax that month seems to demonstrate that STN was not the airport of choice for many travellers so perhaps SEN was a breath of fresh air for many when it came on stream in 2012
Yeah, just a few things you might want to consider first.
Again, looking at only one route (and one which surprisingly is one of only a few which has actually increased in capacity as a whole since 2011) doesn't give you the entire picture. But since you seem so obsessed with making a point on the AMS route alone I will go through it with you anyway...
STN-AMS was a maximum of 4 a day in 2011, not 4 flights every day so is again one case where they haven't taken so much capacity out of STN compared to other routes since they still fly mostly 3 daily flights. (Which to me shows it's one of the better performing routes).
And also, 2011 was a full 3 years ago where demand was much weaker during one of the UK's worst economic recessions in any of our life times! To compare them so literally against today's figures is unrealistic. Customer demand and certainly EZY's LF's have increased since 2011.
Out of interest, do you even know the split between STN and SEN for that 44,384 for the AMS route in May 2014, as you have only posted that combined figure?
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Stansted was 23,300 and Southend was 21,084, so basically Southend close to overtaking Stansted, think that answers who is right in this debate 
Edit: Beat me to it express flight
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Indeed. Stansted despite losing pretty much one flight a day is only 2,000 pax worse off in a whole month compared to 3 years ago. Must be quite a climb in LF. So yes I think that does answer who is right in this debate.
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Facts and figures can be produced and manipulated to support the views someone is trying to make whether positive or negative.
Looking at a full set of figures for April Southend has a gain of 48% over April 2013 making it by far London’s fastest growing airport but if you look at it another way it was the worst performing airport in terms of growth.
Passenger growth by numbers:
Gatwick 422,624
Heathrow 386,951
Stansted 166,280
Luton 84,739
Southend 32,623
Looking at a full set of figures for April Southend has a gain of 48% over April 2013 making it by far London’s fastest growing airport but if you look at it another way it was the worst performing airport in terms of growth.
Passenger growth by numbers:
Gatwick 422,624
Heathrow 386,951
Stansted 166,280
Luton 84,739
Southend 32,623
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The bigger you get, the smaller your growth.
Easy to 1000% growth if last year you had 1 flight and this year you have 10
Perhaps to turn the 10 into 100 is also easy, but the 100 into 1000?
% growth is important, but you have to consider the underlying figures as well
Easy to 1000% growth if last year you had 1 flight and this year you have 10
Perhaps to turn the 10 into 100 is also easy, but the 100 into 1000?
% growth is important, but you have to consider the underlying figures as well
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FR first moved to STN when it opened in 1991
What are you talking about? ... STN opened in circa 1949 and in 1966 became a BAA airport, I myself was working there in a based airline Operation dept. during the 1980's so how on earth did you decide that STN only opened when Ryanair moved in during the 1990's?
Phileas - perhaps FRatSTN is using "it" to refer to the main terminal at STN which opened sometime around 1991. I know a runway has been at STN since WW2, but to many a passenger and possibly also many (although by no means all) people working at an airport or for an airline, the terminal(s) of an airport is the main way a person experiences the airport and thus people often perceive the terminal(s) as the airport.
I know you're keen on accuracy, but we're not all as knowledgable as you and alas make the odd c*ck-up - could you perhaps be a little more forgiving occasionally ?
I know you're keen on accuracy, but we're not all as knowledgable as you and alas make the odd c*ck-up - could you perhaps be a little more forgiving occasionally ?
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DJ6 & FRatSTN,
Believe it not STN did have terminal buildings pre 1991, the pre 1991 terminal was on the other side of the runway and the original terminal, before that, had become the staff canteen on the other side of the runway, STN had been a fully functioning airport for some three decades or more before the quoted 1991 opening.
So when did SEN open ... Which terminal opening decides when SEN opened?
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Believe it not STN did have terminal buildings pre 1991, the pre 1991 terminal was on the other side of the runway and the original terminal, before that, had become the staff canteen on the other side of the runway, STN had been a fully functioning airport for some three decades or more before the quoted 1991 opening.
So when did SEN open ... Which terminal opening decides when SEN opened?
P.S.
CAA approved Laker's application on 5 October 1972, granting a ten-year licence. However, it specified Stansted rather than Gatwick as the service's UK departure/arrival point and limited the number of seats that could be sold in winter to 189 per trip, the maximum number of passengers a Boeing 707 could accommodate in a high-density, all-economy configuration. The unexpected change of the UK departure/arrival point for Laker's Skytrain service
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Indeed I was referring to the Terminal
Obviously 3, an airport's third terminal does not normally, if ever, decide the airport's opening date.
On that logic SEN opened, not in 1935 but, in 2011.
Here's a copy and paste from Wiki, it couldn't possibly be true as STN wasn't an airport during the 70's/80's and, by the same logic, neither was SEN
During the 1960s, Southend was the third-busiest airport in the United Kingdom. It remained London's third-busiest airport in terms of passengers handled until the end of the 1970s, when the role of "London's third airport" passed to Stansted
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What Wiki doesn't tell you is that STN is built on "marshy" land so that USAF constructed runway is quite a significant construction.
In a similar vein the mega hangar at STN, who operates it now I'm not sure but at the time it was constructed during the 1980's, before the airport opened in 1991 of course , it was owned/operated by Qualitair, well there was quite a flap going on because, being built on "marshy' land, even as they were building it it was sinking
What Wiki doesn't tell you is that STN is built on "marshy" land so that USAF constructed runway is quite a significant construction.
In a similar vein the mega hangar at STN, who operates it now I'm not sure but at the time it was constructed during the 1980's, before the airport opened in 1991 of course
, it was owned/operated by Qualitair, well there was quite a flap going on because, being built on "marshy' land, even as they were building it it was sinking
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Yellow card time
Gentlemen,
Kindly drop the subject. I have only a limited number of paracetamols over here. If I allow the bickering to continue, others will not enjoy looking at the Southend forum anymore. I have had one or two private messages.
Please stop and get back to interesting topics regarding SEN. If you want to have a bitch with somebody, kindly send them a private message. Do not do it on our forum. Thank you.
Kindly drop the subject. I have only a limited number of paracetamols over here. If I allow the bickering to continue, others will not enjoy looking at the Southend forum anymore. I have had one or two private messages.
Please stop and get back to interesting topics regarding SEN. If you want to have a bitch with somebody, kindly send them a private message. Do not do it on our forum. Thank you.
With Flybe having had their DUB-SEN route on sale for a week now I would have thought Aer Lingus Regional would have have quickly released their Winter 2014/15 schedule for the route. It's been clearly stated that they will continue it at 5 x weekly so why the further delay in putting it on sale? They must have lost a considerable number of bookings already.
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I do find it strange that 2 airlines are now sharing one flight each....although Stobart is common to both operations. Funny nobody there has indicated (for my previous request) what the loads are like on the new ATR72 routes. As a mattter of interest, when is the aircraft maintained, and is there a back-up plan if it goes tech?
Yes, it is surprising that nobody has logged the number of pax boarding any of the flights and reported it here, or anywhere else as far as I can see. I do have some information on forward bookings for one of the routes that starts in July but I'm not free to reveal anything on that score unfortunately.
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There is an entertaining little video on Youtube of the first days Flybe arrival from Southend at Rennes Airport. The flight was met by a pipe band. Enter "Flybe Nouvelle Liaision Rennes / Londres" on Youtube to find. There are also various Youtube videos of the early Flybe arrivals / departures at Muenster and Groningen for anyone interested. Sorry - cannot tell from these how many pax were on board though!!
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it does not surprise me to foreign enthusiasm and promotion about new routes from their regions to the giant London city. In UK its always more subdued. May be Stobarts/FlyBe insist on it..i would....you promote me or I wont come....at the end of the day its down to continued promotion.
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I'm just realising that BE are to operate SEN DUB themselves, i.e. it is not the Stobart Air operation. So in effect, BE are going head to head with Stobart Air on the route.
Equally, BE are relauching the closed INV DUB route that will compete with Stobart Air ABZ DUB route. These routes sound crazy to me..
Equally, BE are relauching the closed INV DUB route that will compete with Stobart Air ABZ DUB route. These routes sound crazy to me..