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From the airports website
Wonder why the terminal closes for a few hours each night seeing that it must still be staffed.
London Southend Airport Terminal Building Opening Hours:
The terminal closes 45 minutes after the last scheduled flight arrives and opens at 04:00 daily.
NB. The terminal is not open overnight. This may change should there be delayed flights.
The terminal closes 45 minutes after the last scheduled flight arrives and opens at 04:00 daily.
NB. The terminal is not open overnight. This may change should there be delayed flights.
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I meant no offense to anyone but just trying to get a better understanding of Southend's operation which through enlightening and honest posts here I am getting a better picture of why events happen
Thanks to those folk that just answer my questions. I think I will retreat to Bedfordshire for a while and go into exile as I don't have a fan base here.
Please no more comments about me but just Southend and what is happening here.
Thanks to those folk that just answer my questions. I think I will retreat to Bedfordshire for a while and go into exile as I don't have a fan base here.
Please no more comments about me but just Southend and what is happening here.
Last edited by LTNman; 10th Jun 2014 at 21:58.
Just to clarify a couple of points.
1) SEN can remain open until 01:30 local to cater for delayed flights but after that will not accept them for noise regulation reasons.
2) SEN is not the only airport affected by the recent extreme Northerly Jetstream strength; Jet2 were affected on a flight from EDUI to AGP for example and I expect there were others.
3) SEN will always be prone to this sort of very rare weather problem as its runway is slightly limiting for the A319 and a RTOW will always apply rather than MTOW. That is a fact that everyone is aware off and easyJet opened a base there knowing it.
I think enough on this now don't you, unless any of these facts are thought to be inaccurate and require correction?
1) SEN can remain open until 01:30 local to cater for delayed flights but after that will not accept them for noise regulation reasons.
2) SEN is not the only airport affected by the recent extreme Northerly Jetstream strength; Jet2 were affected on a flight from EDUI to AGP for example and I expect there were others.
3) SEN will always be prone to this sort of very rare weather problem as its runway is slightly limiting for the A319 and a RTOW will always apply rather than MTOW. That is a fact that everyone is aware off and easyJet opened a base there knowing it.
I think enough on this now don't you, unless any of these facts are thought to be inaccurate and require correction?
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Small correction to your first point Expressflight: actually delayed scheduled flights may land at any time, provided they were originally scheduled to arrive before 2330.
The 0130 time is when ATC Radar coverage is available until (Procedural Approach thereafter); a higher RFF Category would need to be confirmed to be in place after midnight, plus any terminal staffing considerations.
The 0130 time is when ATC Radar coverage is available until (Procedural Approach thereafter); a higher RFF Category would need to be confirmed to be in place after midnight, plus any terminal staffing considerations.
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Your point 3 implies that the EZY A319 RTOW at SEN will never be above 64000kgs, this being the lowest MTOW of their fleet. I would call that a whole lot more than "slightly" limiting.
This" fact" that you say "everyone" is aware of has never once been mentioned in this forum and elsewhere when A319 take off performance at SEN has been discussed. It would be really helpful if you can provide some evidence for your statement as it would assist us in understanding what is going on.
This" fact" that you say "everyone" is aware of has never once been mentioned in this forum and elsewhere when A319 take off performance at SEN has been discussed. It would be really helpful if you can provide some evidence for your statement as it would assist us in understanding what is going on.
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From another forum an EZY pilot flying from SEN states that headwinds and significant weather to go around en route are to blame, coupled with low wind speeds and higher temperatures on the deck. He took 3 hours to fly to Faro against headwinds of over 100 mph. If Runway 06 can be used the better climb performance helps, but that hasn't always been possible. At the moment the based aircraft have the lower TOW, an unfortunate result of the regular rotation of airframes.
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I'm not suggesting that "RTOW at SEN will never be above 64,000kg", but it might be that low when surface temperatures are high and surface winds are light, runway 24 is in use and strong headwinds/severe weather are forecast en-route. I think that would be exceptional though. The 64,000kg aircraft might find AGP and FAO difficult to reach in those circumstances at MTOW anyway with 156 pax which include many males/golfers (as is often the case in early June) regardless of runway length. The older airframes currently SEN-based also have higher empty weights which doesn't help.
I've certainly mentioned Second Segment Climb restrictions for runway 24 on this forum and I seem to recall that range restrictions for the A319 at times of high surface temperatures have also been discussed here in the past. I used the word "everyone" in the context of everyone commercially and operationally involved in the SEN A319 operation; not meaning everyone on this forum.
I'm not suggesting that "RTOW at SEN will never be above 64,000kg", but it might be that low when surface temperatures are high and surface winds are light, runway 24 is in use and strong headwinds/severe weather are forecast en-route. I think that would be exceptional though. The 64,000kg aircraft might find AGP and FAO difficult to reach in those circumstances at MTOW anyway with 156 pax which include many males/golfers (as is often the case in early June) regardless of runway length. The older airframes currently SEN-based also have higher empty weights which doesn't help.
I've certainly mentioned Second Segment Climb restrictions for runway 24 on this forum and I seem to recall that range restrictions for the A319 at times of high surface temperatures have also been discussed here in the past. I used the word "everyone" in the context of everyone commercially and operationally involved in the SEN A319 operation; not meaning everyone on this forum.
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Whatever the problems at Southend - give it to me over the competition anyday. I remember all too vividly my last arrival at Bedfordshire International Airport from Nimes- the wait for the shuttle - the trundling journey to the railway station - and the 40 minute trek into London from Bedfordshire. Aaagh!!!
And I wonder if Phileas Fogg will be on here soon telling me how he used to be a shuttle bus driver - he seems to have done everything else!!! And Phileas - I remember that the flight was "fairly" full!!!!
And I wonder if Phileas Fogg will be on here soon telling me how he used to be a shuttle bus driver - he seems to have done everything else!!! And Phileas - I remember that the flight was "fairly" full!!!!
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And I wonder if Phileas Fogg will be on here soon telling me how he used to be a shuttle bus driver - he seems to have done everything else!!! And Phileas - I remember that the flight was "fairly" full!!!!
If you think I am going to jump in and defend an airfield on top of a hill above the Vauxhall Motors works in Bedfordshire then you have another thing coming!
However, and I have to laugh, besides all my other duties I am a "shuttle bus" driver, with my own resort and my resort's own vehicle, I sometimes "shuttle" guests between here on Cloud 9 to/from the island port of Dapa or the island airport of IAO.
There ya go, try me on something else
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Barling Magna,
This is becoming a thread drift and I get in to enough trouble with the mods as it is. Whilst it may be amusing to you it is boring and meaningless to the majority so PLEASE stop it and move on.
This is becoming a thread drift and I get in to enough trouble with the mods as it is. Whilst it may be amusing to you it is boring and meaningless to the majority so PLEASE stop it and move on.
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Bickering
Now can we cut the bitchiness, it's like a staff meeting at St. Trinians.
Can we just accept that Southend has the potential to be a neat modern facility
With certain performance constraints imposed by its runway length.
Now please let's move on.
Can we just accept that Southend has the potential to be a neat modern facility
With certain performance constraints imposed by its runway length.
Now please let's move on.
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Moderator speaks.
I was working so missed the latest entries. Yes, can we please move on.
I don't mind a bit of humour to prevent this forum from become an unwelcoming place to visit, but sometimes it gets silly.
Keep the news (and rumours) coming in. Thanks guys.
Southend is a great little airport.
I was working so missed the latest entries. Yes, can we please move on.
I don't mind a bit of humour to prevent this forum from become an unwelcoming place to visit, but sometimes it gets silly.
Keep the news (and rumours) coming in. Thanks guys.
Southend is a great little airport.
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Weight restrictions of past 3 days or so due to combination of aircraft good payload, higher block fuel due to strong headwinds, and wind on deck not allowing use of 06.
Rare "perfect" storm, which will pass when weather patterns change.
24 is RTOW limiting and can be as low as 62T so MTOW of aircraft is irrelevant.
Rare "perfect" storm, which will pass when weather patterns change.
24 is RTOW limiting and can be as low as 62T so MTOW of aircraft is irrelevant.
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new routes load factors
I am interested to know what the passenger loads are like on the new Munster, Rennes and Groningen routes. I see the airlines seems to have settled down by operating with minimal delays following the initial excitement of press photographs, etc.
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London Southend to Dublin has now appeared on the Flybe website and starts operating from October. Sadly it seems to be at a much reduced frequency to the current Aer Lingus Regional schedule - hopefully extra flights will be added in due course.
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Also, assuming this replaces as opposed to supplements the Aer Lingus Regional branded flights, I'm not sure how this would work regarding connecting onto the Aer Lingus transatlantic flights or whether that would even be offered.
The flights are showing as operated by Flybe as opposed to Stobart Air.
The flights are showing as operated by Flybe as opposed to Stobart Air.