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Old 22nd Apr 2014, 21:08
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Cologne replacement?

Maastricht lost its London connection when FR pulled the STN route at the end of March, and being a similar distance to CGN it is the most likely candidate in my opinion.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 00:14
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MAASTRICHT

From another website......MAASTRICHT STARTS 03 JULY 2014 STOBART AIR
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 01:08
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Good luck! with train connections being better or just as good from Schiphol, is there going to be a great demand?
Even the Maastricht airport web site still shows RYR!
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 07:04
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I should think any hope of EDI or BFS/BHD returning with Stobart Air is fading now that Flybe have announced these as new routes from LCY.
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Maastricht flights are still not confirmed by anybody as I write. Maastricht and Aachen sit close together but I am a little worried that not many locals will want to go there compared to CGN. After carrying thousands of pax to Edinburgh, Belfast and Krakow, I am surprised nobody has jumped in with a smaller aircraft to win some of this market back.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 09:14
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Flybe have announce expansion at LCY
In a major expansion that will see the airline significantly boost connectivity between the UK regions and Ireland to and from London, Flybe has signed a five-year agreement with London City Airport (LCY) to commence domestic and international operations to/from London City with effect from 27 October 2014.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 09:56
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Can find it nowhere except the Wiki page for Maastricht, hardly reliable sources! We will wait and see.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 10:12
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Hopefully tomorrow we'll find out. And as for what Wikipedia says...
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 13:44
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Steviec9 said I should think any hope of EDI or BFS/BHD returning with Stobart Air is fading now that Flybe have announced these as new routes from LCY.

I agree and can only put it down to the fact that airlines must prefer to take unnecessary risks, rather than opt for dead certs that will make them money!! With all the readers letters in the local press pleading for the
Edinburgh route (in particular) to continue, it defies logic.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 14:58
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Crazy that flyBE are now planning to operate from LCY to EDI versus BA's Airbuses when they would have a guaranteed load factor from SEN....
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 16:54
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From the BBC

As part of the London City Airport deal, Flybe also plans to introduce to services to European ski resorts, as well as to destinations in France and northern Spain
So Flybe are going into competition for new routes with Stobart and Southend. The best bit is that Stobart will be paying a fee to their competitor for every passenger they carry. So does Stobart now see Flybe as a friend or foe?
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 17:05
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BE vs Stobart competition

Only if BE launch Caen from LCY - unlikely?

Must admit that like everybody else I find LCY-EDI a strange move
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 17:16
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Let us suppose that Stobart Air are considering a Southend-Dijon route. Suppose also that Flybe open a LCY-Lyon route, as part of their regional France / ski market strategy.

Trains from Dijon to Lyon or Paris take about 1h30. Dijon has no flights to the UK. Would Flybe in this scenario be trampling on Stobart Air's turf ?

Rather theoretical at this stage I agree, but trying to illustrate that competition need not be direct to have an impact.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 17:42
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I wonder if Stobart knew about Flybe's plans to open up a base at City before they signed a franchise agreement? I bet they didn't the same way that they didn't have a clue about what was going on at Cologne. Even though both airports serve different markets I would think that Flybe City routes would stop an equivalent route from Southend from being started.
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Worth remembering that the 2 parties to the franchise agreement are stuck with each other for a number of years and will have to find a way to get along with each other. It is extremely difficult to draw up a legal agreement around long term commerce that will cover every possible scenario. Senior management teams should expect some horse trading with their counterparts over future years.

A gentleman's agreement can go a long way to solving potential commercial disputes if both parties consider it in their interests. Flybe and Loganair have managed to work together for a long time without feeling the need to call for lawyers extensively or major disputes to be revealed in public.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 19:50
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Seems to me that Flybe have always been lukewarm about SEN.

They could have made so much of their position in pre-Stobart days, but never capitalised on it.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 19:59
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They could have made so much of their position in pre-Stobart days, but never capitalised on it.
Perhaps, but it's worth remembering that in pre-Stobart days there was only a very rudimentary terminal and no direct rail access. It would seem that Flybe believes that they need a presence at a major London airport (particularly for the domestic routes) which SEN clearly is not (yet?).

What is more disappointing is the talk of potential regional French leisure routes which would appear to encroach on Southend / Stobart Air's new franchise strategy.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 20:49
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I wonder if Stobart knew about Flybe's plans to open up a base at City before they signed a franchise agreement? I bet they didn't the same way that they didn't have a clue about what was going on at Cologne. Even though both airports serve different markets I would think that Flybe City routes would stop an equivalent route from Southend from being started.
Don't see how this has any relevance on Flybe's LCY news.

Flybe have no real interest in SEN, if they did they would be operating their own metal. Stobart are taking all the risk with these new routes and BE earning extra revenue from allowing their brand name to be used. If they had of known about LCY plans I'm sure Stobart had little choice as what other British brand would of sold the Stobart routes. Flybe don't need SEN or Stobart but will gladly take the revenue it may bring.

Not overly convinced the Stobart routes will be successful long term either.

Crazy that flyBE are now planning to operate from LCY to EDI versus BA's Airbuses when they would have a guaranteed load factor from SEN....
Nothing crazy about it, yes LCY may not work out for them up aginst competitors however operating the same routes form SEN would be commercial suicide. They picked the best out of the limited choice.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 20:50
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Originally Posted by SENChris
What is more disappointing is the talk of potential regional French leisure routes which would appear to encroach on Southend / Stobart Air's new franchise strategy.
I wouldn't get too concerned about this. France is a big country and the ATR can't economically go much further than Dijon or (for example) Nantes (I'm not saying it's incapable of flying further, just that it's incapable of flying further and making money). Flybe can very easily decide to launch (for example) Limoges, Bergerac, Perpignan, and Avignon without encroaching on Stobart's radius of action.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 21:38
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