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Old 28th Aug 2013, 19:49
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This would suggest that RYR is able to change colours faster than a chameleon. It's an IRE company when it wants to be, then suddenly it is a UK company. How do the guys & galls know who they work for and whose rules & regs? Ah, that's the game they play. Time to nail it down.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 20:14
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Most UK staff directly employed by Ryanair are hired on UK contracts not Irish ones like the rest of Europe. MOL said it in a interview before.

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Old 28th Aug 2013, 20:52
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Now Michael O'Leary joins Bob Geldof as being a true Brit! Ryanair and Aer Lingus carry over 80% of traffic from UK to Ireland and vice versa and UK wants to ensure future healthy competition.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 22:15
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A rather stupid decision where its implications have not been thought through by UK Govt.

Uk company doing business in another member state where has a tiny market share can find itself being subject to that countrys takeover rules based on what UK CC are doing on precedence. Does City of London really want to find taleovers orchestrated by it held up because Estonia Govt body wishes to have an input?

EU is arbitrator of competition rather than selective Govt bodies with vested interests to remove self interest of Govt.

Funny how BA buying BCAL / BMI etc etc was never a threat to competition nor were there any competitive issues with BAA having majority of London airports until day it was bought by Ferrovial.
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Old 28th Aug 2013, 22:17
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2. Operators in UK airspace are subject to UK regulations.
Regulations not takeover law as based on that then IAG could have been stopped by any country who had flights from BA or Iberia.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 07:05
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The UK Competition Commission finding may be a catalyst for the EU commission to change its legislation. However, a bit early for anyone to celebrate until after Ryanair's appeal which could take 18 months. Lawyers
are indeed very fortunate these days.

I assume you were away on holiday or otherwise unavailable for comment for the past few weeks Racedo
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 07:58
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Just because the decision went against mol's plan doesn't necessarily mean it's "stupid", you should be more careful Racedo if the oft were as litigious as the camp you cheer lead for you would find yourself in Court exposed and retracting feverishly.
The difference between your comparative cases is not "funny" but does require some research... Go do some,uninformed opinion is dull.
Also not " funny" mol squandering vast sums of shareholders money. Monies that the Pilots helped earn and which should be returned to the stake holders in some form. Hold him to account he's wasting your money!
Notin but luv 4 u baby (but u used to be more fun/informed)
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 08:59
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Uk company doing business in another member state where has a tiny market share can find itself being subject to that countrys takeover rules based on what UK CC are doing on precedence. Does City of London really want to find taleovers orchestrated by it held up because Estonia Govt body wishes to have an input?
You'll know that the evaluation of many of these merger/takeover/antitrust cases hinges on the definition of the relevant market.

You refer to "a tiny market share". You'll also know that the UKCC has defined the relevant market, not as "all routes from the UK", but as "routes between Britain and Ireland". Section 4.47 of the UKCC final report says that in 2012 Ryanair had 49.9% of that market and Aer Lingus 31.7%. Tiny? Really?

The AA/US takeover, now stalled, involves 2 US airlines who generate most of their ASKs domestically. It still needed separate EC approval (and a commitment to divest an LHR slot pair) because of the potential impact on competition on particular transatlantic routes (the EC considered the "relevant market" to be routes between the EC and the US). That's not a remedy that the US DOJ would have asked for since its focus is on domestic US competition. In the AA/US case, should the EC therefore not have had the right to impose conditions or remedies on a takeover which would affect it?
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 12:09
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I assume you were away on holiday or otherwise unavailable for comment for the past few weeks Racedo
Happy to say I was
Prob one of most relaxing ones in years, SWMBO made it clear that spend time on web then she goes home but place had crap net service anyway.

Doesn't appear I missed much as saw the C4 prog and not really worth it.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 12:14
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You refer to "a tiny market share". You'll also know that the UKCC has defined the relevant market, not as "all routes from the UK", but as "routes between Britain and Ireland". Section 4.47 of the UKCC final report says that in 2012 Ryanair had 49.9% of that market and Aer Lingus 31.7%. Tiny? Really?
Terms of reference drawn up to make sure the final decision could be justified, hell thats not a hard thing to do.

Decide the verdict and make sure background stacks up to it.........not really a hard job to do.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 12:20
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Also not " funny" mol squandering vast sums of shareholders money. Monies that the Pilots helped earn and which should be returned to the stake holders in some form. Hold him to account he's wasting your money!
Really ? Funny think shareholders happy with their returns over 10 years.

As for wasting money I have seen little Union and Employee complaints in EI about the hundreds of millions blown since privitisation..............oh wait they benefited from it.

Pilots helped earn and were paid for their part in it.
Anybody in any industry who feels their market pay is low is pretty much free to go to market.............if people earn more elsewhere then fair play to them.
But what happens when the market decides that they earn less and have worse conditions ?
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 12:28
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1. RYANAIR UK LIMITED
SATELITE 3
LONDON STANSTED AIRPORT
STANSTED
ESSEX
CM24 1RW

El Bunto
I refer to your post, my understanding was that FR created Ryanair UK in the 90s about 1994, to get around the then rules that restricted Ryanair as a non UK airline from operating a UK domestic route with a full aircraft. PIK STN when it first launched was restricted to selling only 50% of the available seats on the aircraft, and setting up Ryanair UK was a bid to circumvent this rule.

Therefore, I am not sure that the UK alone will be able to ultimately stand over this ruling within the context of EU rules.
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Old 29th Aug 2013, 14:01
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TRN-DUB is back, effective dec 21st.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 03:56
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Call for government inquiry into Ryanair Safety record.

I didnt see anything about this on here yet but the opposition party in Ireland have called on the government to carry out a parliamentary enquiry into Ryanairs safety record in light of recent events.

TD asks Oireachtas to question Ryanair on safety record - News - MSN Ireland

The man calling for the enquiry is Timmy Dooley, the opposition spokesman of transport and you can reach him here to voice your concerns in total confidence as anything said in a parliamentary enquiry is said under parliamentary privilege so is not actionable under defamation law.
Timmy Dooley, Spokesperson on Transport, Tourism and Sport | Fianna Fáil

And you can write to the current minister for transport Leo Varadkar here to let him know why you think it should take place.
Leo Varadkar
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 06:17
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O Leary press conference

SN-TV: "Vi kan inte stämma SN" - Nyköping - www.sn.se

Put this in as a link so more people may see it. Please don't merge it with the Ryanair secrets link.

A few interesting comments by him.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 13:25
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A very polished performance by Mr O'Leary, as usual.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 14:47
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A very polished performance by Mr O'Leary, as usual.

Slippery.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 22:50
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'Polished' ?
All MoL did was to read a script at breakneck speed, and then swat aside ill-informed questions, none of whom seem to have any real understanding of how Ryanair operates. Why did he even bother to make the trip?
I just wish a journo had asked some decent questions about Brookfield and zero hour contracts.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 23:11
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Mol

Mmm the repeated on off with the glasses was unusual for mol
He was under pressure
Journos missed a chance
He was flying without wings and they missed it....
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 08:25
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That's because jornos are general and not specific. They kept saying they had spoken to pilots, but had they listened; had they delved deeper with the pilot and taken notes? They asked easy general questions that could be swatted and they didn't have the knowledge to follow up. Steve Sacker did the same on Hardtalk. The researchers must have been very wet behind the ears.

MOL challenged the jornos and the pilots to present facts, not anonymous puppets claiming to be RYR pilots. He claimed everything was a lie. He said he would give a guarantee of no recrimination to any pilot wishing to raise issues. Why does RPG not accept the challenge and have a public debate with MOL. I'm sure CH 4 would oblige. They have a very public guarantee that nothing will happen to them. He would be under the spotlight if there were any recriminations.
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