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Old 12th Aug 2013, 11:59
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Support Ryanair pilots. Well done RPG for taking this fight and helping prevent further decay to our profession. No doubt my post will disappear which is sad state of affairs.

The sooner RPG get in the better.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:05
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McBruce - who/what is RPG please?
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:07
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So are you saying that Ryanair are going to take legal action against this publication?
No, I'm saying the DM is not exactly renowned for it's calm, objective, insightful and accurate reporting of facts. So I'm reserving judgment!

I don't doubt there are issues within Ryanair and, indeed, other airlines, quite likely some that need addressing - just like most large organiations. I just get tired of the hysterical screaming headlines of the type the DM excel at, and given some of them lately have been on a subject where I do happen to have in depth inside knowledge and can therefore judge how inaccurate and sensational they are, why would I not assume that is true of all their Shock Horror headlines and reporting...and so, I just reach for the salt, and await the facts.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:08
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Yellow and Blue Baron said:

My question is this: Is is an absolute necessity in the cut-rate airline industry to treat passengers and staff like dirt?
This is a great question, and one that deserves an answer. O'Leary seems to regard everyone else as the enemy, and that attitude means that I do not fly with RyanAir. The sooner someone finds some way to put this socipath behind bars, the better.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:22
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Well done RPG for taking this fight and helping prevent further decay to our profession.
The RPG is made up of Ryanair pilots who accepted and contributed to this decay.

Would MOL actually be bothered running FR any more if he couldn't find guys to pay for their jobs and work for peanuts? Would FR be as big as it is?

If FR pilots answer yes, they admit that the airline would have proper wages and would treat pilots with respect if the pilots just held out and didn't bend over to management so quickly.

If FR pilots answer no, they admit that P2F at FR is just propping up a flight training bubble and is effectively an enabler to the guys with shiny jet syndrome. Like the ***** who supply drinks to an alcoholic.

I notice they argue conditions are not safe and when challenged, argue that it's the safest airline in the world.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:26
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McBruce - who/what is RPG please?
Google is your friend:
https://www.facebook.com/ryanairpilotgroup2013

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Old 12th Aug 2013, 12:35
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Originally posted by fenland787
I don't doubt there are issues within Ryanair and, indeed, other airlines, quite likely some that need addressing - just like most large organiations.
You make it sound as if Ryanair have issues which are no different to any airline and which itself comes across as misleading.

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I just get tired of the hysterical screaming headlines of the type the DM excel at
I am not so interested in the UK newspaper practices, only if what they are reporting is true. Do you expect the Channel 4 program tonight also to be "hysterical and screaming" as you put it and what in the linked Daily Mail report was in fact was "hysterical and screaming" if you don't mind indicating for the benefit of others because as you say - this is "a subject where I do happen to have in depth inside knowledge and can therefore judge how inaccurate and sensational they are".
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 15:08
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Can the public see the actual RYR Pilot Group's survey that is quoted in the national media to examine the validity of the conclusions for ourselves?
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 16:01
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Well done RPG for taking this fight and helping prevent further decay to our profession. No doubt my post will disappear which is sad state of affairs. The sooner RPG get in the better.
Did a straw poll today with some of the real RPG (Ryanair Passengers Group) and the verdict is: To the other RPG, blubber off and keep your interfering noses out of our airline - the people's airline. (now, is that apostrophe in the right place?)
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 17:03
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You want the pilots to blubber off from the airline? Exactly how will that help the passengers? Are you asking for them to strike?
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 19:10
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Aer, if they had a water tight case that would stand up to the scrutiny of even a few of the 80m passengers that fly with Ryanair then Van Zwol would have published the survey. 'Make the world more open' my foot.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 19:54
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Did a straw poll today with some of the real RPG (Ryanair Passengers Group) and the verdict is: To the other RPG, blubber off and keep your interfering noses out of our airline - the people's airline. (now, is that apostrophe in the right place?

I wonder if these same applauders of cheap everything also do not buy 'fair trade' coffee, jeans, trainers etc. If they do buy such articles they might consider more carefully any product closer to home equally deserving. Theer are many.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 19:55
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Interesting piece from Flight Global, particularly the bit about them trialling Lufthansa's Lido operations management and planning system - wasn't aware of that.

Spotlight shines on Ryanair operations
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 20:27
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RAT 5

the people's airline. (now, is that apostrophe in the right place?
No.

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Old 12th Aug 2013, 20:43
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So, according to the Dispatches programme, a KLM pilot is the Chairman of the Ryanair Pilot Group. I think that tells you all you need to know about this Group .
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 20:48
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That Ryanair pilots are afraid to Chair it for fear of reprecussions and that instead they have to get a pilot from another airline in to do it for them?

All members of the RPG are verified Ryanair pilots just in case you didn't know.

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Old 12th Aug 2013, 20:53
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If the flight deck and cabin crew get on the aircraft and fly then I'm more than happy to get on as a passenger...

Yet again another crap program reporting how bad Ryanair are but all the way through the program reporting how they haven't broken any rules on safety.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 21:58
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Ryanair Releases Channel 4 Dispatches Letters

12.08.13
Ryanair Releases Channel 4 Dispatches Letters

Ryanair, today (12 Aug) responded to the false claims made in the C4 Dispatches programme by issuing the following statement and publishing the full exchange of letters with C4 Dispatches as follows:




Ryanair rejected the false and defamatory claims made by the Channel 4 Dispatches programme which wrongly impugn and smear Ryanair’s outstanding 29 year safety record based on nothing more than anonymous hearsay claims made by individuals whose identity was concealed, and/or by representatives of pilot unions of Ryanair’s competitor airlines masquerading as a Non Ryanair Pilot Group.

Ryanair has today released on its website the entire exchange of correspondence with Channel 4 Dispatches which highlights the following facts:

1. The evidence provided by Ryanair and the Irish Aviation Authority conclusively disproves these false claims about Ryanair’s fuel policy and/or Ryanair’s outstanding safety record.


2. The programme relies upon hearsay claims by anonymous alleged Ryanair pilots, despite the fact that Ryanair offered legally binding guarantees to these individuals of no sanction if they made these claims on the record, solely so that Ryanair could publish details of their individual flight records, fuel records, sickness records and safety reports which would disprove their false claims. Despite these assurances, C4 Dispatches insisted on maintaining their anonymity because, Ryanair believes, these individuals know that their claims are false and unsupported by evidence.


3. Despite the evidence provided by Ryanair and the IAA disproving these fuel and safety claims, Dispatches have failed to address or report this evidence, preferring instead to publish these false claims in an unfair, unbalanced and inaccurate programme.


4. Channel 4 Dispatches have repeatedly refused Ryanair’s offer of an unedited interview with CEO Michael O’Leary, in which he offered to address any claims raised by Dispatches and rubbish the false claims made by these anonymous contributors. Dispatches would only interview Michael O’Leary if they could edit his answers, which was not fair or acceptable to Ryanair.


5. Ryanair provided Dispatches with a short statement (below) rejecting the false claims made by the programme, however Channel 4 Dispatches have refused to report this short statement in its unedited form.


6. Channel 4 Dispatches cannot be relied upon to fairly or accurately report on matters relating to Ryanair, having previously (in 2006) used actors to pose as sleeping Ryanair cabin crew to promote an earlier and equally inaccurate programme on Ryanair’s safety.


7. The Irish Aviation Authority, which is the independent safety regulator for all Irish airlines has confirmed (attached) that Ryanair fully complies with EU fuel policies, including allowing all its pilots to take as much fuel as they wish to. Over 50% of all Ryanair pilots take extra fuel over and above the already planned Ryanair extra fuel on a daily basis.


8. The self styled Ryanair Pilot Group is a PR front for the European Cockpit Association which is the club of pilots unions of Ryanair’s EU airline competitors. The Interim Council of this Non Ryanair Pilot Group (NRPG) comprises four pilots/union leaders who work for KLM, Aer Lingus, Air France and Southwest Airlines. These people have no insight, credibility or objectivity in commenting upon Ryanair’s safety. The fifth member is a serving Ryanair Captain who has recently confirmed - in writing - that he has no concerns about Ryanair’s safety. This trade union group has no credibility, it lacks any impartiality, and its fabricated survey which claims to be based upon replies from less than one third of Ryanair’s over 3,000 serving pilots are a crude attempt to use baseless safety “concerns” as a cover for its failed trade union agenda.

Finally, Ryanair’s safety has recently been confirmed by the Irish Aviation Authority as being “on a par with the safest airlines in Europe”. This is attested to by Ryanair’s outstanding 29 year safety record.

Ryanair’s Robin Kiely said:
“Ryanair rejects these failed attempts by C4 Dispatches and/or European pilot trade unions to denigrate or smear Ryanair’s outstanding 29 year safety record in an attempt to promote their 20 year failed campaign to obtain union recognition in Ryanair. Since the Channel 4 Dispatches programme (which previously used actors to promote equally false claims about Ryanair’s cabin crew) has published these false anonymous hearsay claims, and the bogus results of an unreliable, fabricated survey prepared by the European pilot trade union club, Ryanair has instructed its lawyers to issue legal proceedings against Channel 4 Dispatches for defamation and Ryanair looks forward to this matter being resolved in the Courts and the safety of Ryanair’s operations being thoroughly vindicated since the IAA has independently confirmed “Ryanair is on a par with the safest airlines in Europe” and the C4 Dispatches programme has produced no shred of evidence to undermine this independent verification of Ryanair’s outstanding safety.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 23:30
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Channel 4 using Spanish Air Traffic Control......

The same ATC who refused to allow a certain airline land in BCN until they were forced to declare a PAN.

If you are going to produce a show then have some credibility about it.
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Old 12th Aug 2013, 23:50
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Exactly and an Air France Pilot on a Council lecturing about safety - now there's a joke if ever I heard one.

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